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    Re: Banned Techniques Yielded ‘High Value Information,’ Memo Says

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    It's better to let people die then offend the weak by using "torture".
    Your post simply shows how little you understand. Its not about "offending the weak" its about selling your soul as a country. If you allow terrorists to dictate how you live by altering your values and forfeiting your ethics and morals, than the terrorists have accomplished the very thing that we try so hard to prevent.
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    Re: Banned Techniques Yielded ‘High Value Information,’ Memo Says

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I feel so much safer knowing people like you are in the WH right now. I mean, who cares if I and my family happen to die... I can die knowing my country didn't water board some guy who COULD have saved my life.
    What do you mean people like me? Tory Gentlemen? Burkean Conservatives? Radical decentralists? Men of honour?

    Believe me it is you who has the most in common with Barry.

    And when did I say didn't care, I simply said I would not countenance any means to achieve security unlike some. Such is the creed of fools and tyrants.



    Seriously, Al-Quada needs to stopmucking around and nuke New York City so the world can see what's really at stake. Beter yet, Nuke New York and we find out that the USA had a man in custordy that KNEW of the attack and could have stopped it, but we were too "nice" and didn't do anything.
    Wtf? In Soccer we'd call that an own goal, you've made yourself look stupid.
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    Re: Banned Techniques Yielded ‘High Value Information,’ Memo Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    That's what happens when people watch too much 24.
    If there is a post of the day award on the site I recommend this post. It says it all.
    "It is written in the eternal constitution that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke

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    Re: Banned Techniques Yielded ‘High Value Information,’ Memo Says

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I think the American people "note" and understand that we should never mortgage our values and principles as a nation and ever engage in use of torture methods. The ends do not justify the means. Period

    That is cute.... except for the fact that your perfectly willing to trod all over those "values and principles" in order to demonize political opponents.
    You are even seemingly willing to do that knowing you have only half the information.

    The American People deserve both sides of the story. Not simply the bits Obama wishes to use to pander to extreme leftist who don't even care if they only have half the story.

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    Re: Banned Techniques Yielded ‘High Value Information,’ Memo Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Sometimes it is better to allow some to die than engage in complete dishonour and abandon all principles and civility. Anything else is the greed of Jacobins, scheming calculators who have no time for virtue and think only in terms of the most base of factors.
    Who decides?

    You are holding a man captive who knows about a pending terrorist attack in the town where your family lives: wife, sons, daughters. If you can learn what that attack is, your family will live. Fail to learn anything of what he knows and your family will die.

    Do you torture and/or waterboard? Or do you allow your wife and family to die?

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    Re: Banned Techniques Yielded ‘High Value Information,’ Memo Says

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Your post simply shows how little you understand. Its not about "offending the weak" its about selling your soul as a country. If you allow terrorists to dictate how you live by altering your values and forfeiting your ethics and morals, than the terrorists have accomplished the very thing that we try so hard to prevent.
    Don't know about you, but killing/destroying/eradicating my enemies has always been a value of mine. Only thing a terrorist changes for me is target selection.

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    Re: Banned Techniques Yielded ‘High Value Information,’ Memo Says

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Who decides?

    You are holding a man captive who knows about a pending terrorist attack in the town where your family lives: wife, sons, daughters. If you can learn what that attack is, your family will live. Fail to learn anything of what he knows and your family will die.

    Do you torture and/or waterboard? Or do you allow your wife and family to die?
    Are you trying to ask the person to choose between country and family?
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    Re: Banned Techniques Yielded ‘High Value Information,’ Memo Says

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Who decides?

    You are holding a man captive who knows about a pending terrorist attack in the town where your family lives: wife, sons, daughters. If you can learn what that attack is, your family will live. Fail to learn anything of what he knows and your family will die.

    Do you torture and/or waterboard? Or do you allow your wife and family to die?



    The clock is ticking....

    Sometimes I wonder if you guys are actually serious.
    Last edited by Wessexman; 04-22-09 at 02:34 AM.
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    Re: Banned Techniques Yielded ‘High Value Information,’ Memo Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    Are you trying to ask the person to choose between country and family?
    No. Wessexman proposed that it was necessary to allow some to die for the sake of one's principles. I would like to know if he is prepared to apply that logic to his own kin.

    When Abraham made ready to sacrifice Isaac, God stayed his hand at the last. Terrorists are not so benign.

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    Re: Banned Techniques Yielded ‘High Value Information,’ Memo Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Sometimes I wonder if you guys are actually serious.
    More serious than you, apparently.

    So how many of your family have you sacrificed?

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