But alas, it's easy to declare the higher moral plane when you have nothing in the game and think that 9-11 was an anomaly and not the desperate attacks of a belief that killing us will gain someone access to heaven.
The red herring here is the false assertion that these events have tarnished our reputation; there would never be a debate if whiney Liberal Leftists hadn't attempted to use this as a partisan political football.
The fascinating thing here is watching Liberals who argue against morality at every turn when it comes to Gay Marriage, abortion rights and the Religious beliefs of the Christian right, but now argue for the morality of torturing desperate thugs intent on killing as many of our citizens as they can.
You just cannot fabricate the level of denial, hypocrisy or ignorance such arguments require.
Two US Soldiers Found Tortured to Death in IraqPublished on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 by Agence France Presse
Two US Soldiers Found Tortured to Death in Iraq
The bodies of two US soldiers who went missing south of Baghdad were found, as the military said it killed 15 insurgents but Iraqi police and a rights activist claimed they were ordinary poultry farm workers.
The bodies of the two soldiers, Kristian Menchaca, 23, and Thomas L. Tucker, 25, were found in a brutally "tortured" condition, General Abdul Aziz Mohammed of the Iraqi defense ministry said.
"The two US soldiers were found in the Yusifiyah area near the power station and unfortunately their bodies show that they had been tortured and then killed viciously," the general told a news conference.
The soldiers went missing Friday night after they came under attack at a traffic control point near Yusifiyah, along the Euphrates river. One soldier was also killed in the attack.
THIS is what happens when morons watch 24 and trust idiots like Dick Cheney. REAL heroes die.
I am always amused by the “moral” argument from Liberals who think it is fine to abort a human life.
There is nothing “immoral” in conducting interrogation tactics intended to gain information from desperate thugs intent on murdering great numbers of our people.
There is nothing “immoral” in attempting to SAVE lives by using such methods after thoughtful and careful deliberation as to what methods will not be brutal and considered REAL torture.
Just claiming it is torture to make partisan political points in a vacuum of the reality and events that led our Government to make the decision requires a state of willful denial I am not willing to wallow in.
I labeled our efforts as “humane” because we actually went out of our way to ensure that the people being subjected to these methods were not in serious physical harm; as opposed to our enemy who saw the heads of their victims off while they are screaming for mercy and being video taped.
As a self proclaimed “geneticist,” you should be aware that a fertilized egg in the womb of a mother actually constitutes a LIFE. Your desperate Liberal definition of what “life” is merely a desperate rationalization and attempt to avoid REALITY and the FACTS.
Again, it begs the question of why Liberals think nothing of the lack of morality it takes to destroy the life in the womb of a mother, but suddenly wax so eloquent about morality when it comes to interrogation methods used on despicable thugs intent on murdering large numbers of our citizens. Why do you think that is?
Once more you illustrate a profound propensity for making statements lacking in facts or reality. Bush never prohibited funding for embryonic stem cell research; he prohibited Federal FUNDING of it on moral grounds. How trite watching you argue about the morality of torture but then take the moral arguments against embryonic stem cell research to it’s natural Liberal extreme.
Abu Ghraib was not a torture fiasco; it was an example of how we deal with aberrational behavior on the part of our military and subsequently punish them for illegal behavior; how profound that you see this as a failure. But then, that fits in with your narrow partisan political views and we would not want REALITY to get in the way of them right?
The prelude to the Iraq War was a failure of the Bush Administration? What an absurd assertion. The Iraq War was a bi-partisan Democrat and Republican decision which had the support of a vast majority of Americans.
The causes of the prelude to Katrina were natural; are you now going to desperately assert that the Bush Administration caused them; how typically naïve of you.
The trite hypocrisy being exposed here by Liberals like you is this desperate assertion about morality, something that Liberals are always quick to dismiss.
Carry on; I look forward to more of your desperate contortions to debate morality in Government. Nothing amazes me more when the very citizens the previous administration tried to protect want to now prosecute them for their efforts to protect them from desperate terrorists who think nothing of sawing their heads off while they scream for mercy as if there is a moral argument to protect such thuggery.
You cannot fabricate the level of demagoguery, hypocrisy and willful ignorance it takes to take such positions and make such arguments.
This goes beyond willful suspension of disbelief; this borders on incredulity of your inability to separate your rabid partisan nonsense from reality dude.
Yes I can hear the terrorists now; “we will take these people and torture them as a direct result of the water boarding our brethren in Guantanamo have been subjected to teach the infidels a lesson. Had they not waterboarded our brethren, we would not have taken these people captive, tortured them and then viciously killed them.”
You are beyond a clown like caricature of tortured logic.
ANY PROOF at all?
Or is this just asinine idiotic speculation on your part so you can get on your soap box and make a rant like the good little hyper partisan liberal that acts like if a kid **** in a pool its Bush's fault that you are? Not to mention, interesting that....they were torutred to death huh? How long were they gone.
Oh, I know, I bet they waterboarded them to death. Or maybe they put them in a box with a bug and told them it had a stinger. I bet THAT'S how they died!
Abu Ghraib happened in 2004, which was the first major news of any kind of any possible "torture" by the U.S. I'm sure the terrorists that kidnapped and killed Daniel Pearl in 2002 must've been psychic, seeing into the future and doing such a horrendous act to him because of the U.S.'s foul use of sleep deprivation.
Can our actions potentially affect our soldiers? Yes. HOWEVER, there is absolutely ZERO evidence here that this happened specifically due to our "torture" that I know of, and beyond that even when they CLAIM that is the reason HISTORY shows that they have no issues executing people and torturing them for any and all reasons and simply use whatever is the hot topic of the day to attempt to propogandize said deaths.
"I am appalled that somebody who is the nominee...would take that kind of position"
"A court took away a presidency"
"...the brother of a man running for president was the governor of the state..."
It's horrifying because Trump is blunt instead of making overt implications.
Youth RadioThe discovery of these photos has further angered the Iraqi forces of resistance. And in retaliation, a group of Iraqi soldiers abducted, and beheaded, an American civilian who was independently working in Iraq.
This is reality. Americans have been killed and tortured because of the misguided and ILLEGAL decision by the Bush White House to torture detainees.