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    Re: Banned Techniques Yielded ‘High Value Information,’ Memo Says

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Not very careful with the details eh?
    Carrier funding applies to the US Navy, which is not covered by the 2-year restriction, and which Congress is explicitly authorized to maintain as a standing force.
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    Re: Banned Techniques Yielded ‘High Value Information,’ Memo Says

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    Check my math, but 2007 through 2009 would be within the Constitutionally-required time frame.
    You'll have to excuse OC.
    He's too busy self-sodomizing his credibility as a sentient being to bother with checking details...

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    Re: Banned Techniques Yielded ‘High Value Information,’ Memo Says

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    How much American blood was shed in revenge for the torture conducted in Iraq...or doesn't that count?
    Do you have any proof that the blood would not have been shed otherwise?

    I doubt it.

    In fact no proof exist at all that what happened in Iraq made even the slightest difference.
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    Re: Banned Techniques Yielded ‘High Value Information,’ Memo Says

    Quote Originally Posted by EricTaylor View Post
    Supporters of torture think it is worth it to torture terrorists to get info that prevents an attack and thus spares lives (they seem mostly concerned about their own).

    Yes, IF we tortured and IF that person knew and IF we got info and IF it prevented an attack, great! But the odds of that are something like 0.0001%. To take a long shot like that and destroy the reputation of the US as a result is nuts. If you're that worried about dying, don't ever get in an automobile.
    How trite, but then there is nothing here resembling facts. I am sure the people who died on 9-11 would beg to differ with your absurd notions that Government should never do EVERYTHING they can to ensure Americans are protected.

    But alas, it's easy to declare the higher moral plane when you have nothing in the game and think that 9-11 was an anomaly and not the desperate attacks of a belief that killing us will gain someone access to heaven.

    The red herring here is the false assertion that these events have tarnished our reputation; there would never be a debate if whiney Liberal Leftists hadn't attempted to use this as a partisan political football.

    The fascinating thing here is watching Liberals who argue against morality at every turn when it comes to Gay Marriage, abortion rights and the Religious beliefs of the Christian right, but now argue for the morality of torturing desperate thugs intent on killing as many of our citizens as they can.

    You just cannot fabricate the level of denial, hypocrisy or ignorance such arguments require.

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    Re: Banned Techniques Yielded ‘High Value Information,’ Memo Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Do you have any proof that the blood would not have been shed otherwise?

    I doubt it.

    In fact no proof exist at all that what happened in Iraq made even the slightest difference.
    Here's two of them...but of course you need more PROOF
    Published on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 by Agence France Presse
    Two US Soldiers Found Tortured to Death in Iraq


    The bodies of two US soldiers who went missing south of Baghdad were found, as the military said it killed 15 insurgents but Iraqi police and a rights activist claimed they were ordinary poultry farm workers.

    The bodies of the two soldiers, Kristian Menchaca, 23, and Thomas L. Tucker, 25, were found in a brutally "tortured" condition, General Abdul Aziz Mohammed of the Iraqi defense ministry said.

    "The two US soldiers were found in the Yusifiyah area near the power station and unfortunately their bodies show that they had been tortured and then killed viciously," the general told a news conference.

    The soldiers went missing Friday night after they came under attack at a traffic control point near Yusifiyah, along the Euphrates river. One soldier was also killed in the attack.
    Two US Soldiers Found Tortured to Death in Iraq

    THIS is what happens when morons watch 24 and trust idiots like Dick Cheney. REAL heroes die.

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    Re: Banned Techniques Yielded ‘High Value Information,’ Memo Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    And that has what to do with the fact that torture is immoral and should not be policy in the US, exactly?
    Do you think that abortion is immoral?

    I am always amused by the “moral” argument from Liberals who think it is fine to abort a human life.

    There is nothing “immoral” in conducting interrogation tactics intended to gain information from desperate thugs intent on murdering great numbers of our people.

    There is nothing “immoral” in attempting to SAVE lives by using such methods after thoughtful and careful deliberation as to what methods will not be brutal and considered REAL torture.

    Just claiming it is torture to make partisan political points in a vacuum of the reality and events that led our Government to make the decision requires a state of willful denial I am not willing to wallow in.

    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Perhaps you may want to tie your little story in with something that makes an argument for your position rather than enumerating reasons you disagreed with Nixon getting us out of Vietnam.
    Perhaps you should attempt the intellectual effort it would take to comprehend what it is I typed. I never made an argument disagreeing with Nixon getting us out of Vietnam. Re-read what was posted with a modicum of intellectual honesty and get back to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    As a geneticist, i've never understood why people mistakenly assume that an embryo is a rational, autonomous human life, but that's an argument for another thread. Suffice to say i'm assuming that you recognize your own error in labelling waterboarding as a "humane form to extract critical information"? I can think of absolutely nothing humane about this practice, and neither can you.
    You’re a geneticist yet list yourself as a “student?” It takes a fascinating leap of faith to find you credible.

    I labeled our efforts as “humane” because we actually went out of our way to ensure that the people being subjected to these methods were not in serious physical harm; as opposed to our enemy who saw the heads of their victims off while they are screaming for mercy and being video taped.

    As a self proclaimed “geneticist,” you should be aware that a fertilized egg in the womb of a mother actually constitutes a LIFE. Your desperate Liberal definition of what “life” is merely a desperate rationalization and attempt to avoid REALITY and the FACTS.

    Again, it begs the question of why Liberals think nothing of the lack of morality it takes to destroy the life in the womb of a mother, but suddenly wax so eloquent about morality when it comes to interrogation methods used on despicable thugs intent on murdering large numbers of our citizens. Why do you think that is?

    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    I'm assuming in your heated argument against all things Democrat that you recognize the numerous failures of the Republicans on many issues of their own, no? Prohibition of federal funding for embryonic stem cell research, for example, as well as the Abu Ghraib prison torture fiasco, the causes and prelude to the Iraqi War, Hurricane Katrina, etc.
    If you want to start your own thread listing Republican failures, I’d be happy to debate them there, but the last time I looked, Democrats are in charge and it is the Democrats who are turning this into a partisan political witch hunt.

    Once more you illustrate a profound propensity for making statements lacking in facts or reality. Bush never prohibited funding for embryonic stem cell research; he prohibited Federal FUNDING of it on moral grounds. How trite watching you argue about the morality of torture but then take the moral arguments against embryonic stem cell research to it’s natural Liberal extreme.

    Abu Ghraib was not a torture fiasco; it was an example of how we deal with aberrational behavior on the part of our military and subsequently punish them for illegal behavior; how profound that you see this as a failure. But then, that fits in with your narrow partisan political views and we would not want REALITY to get in the way of them right?

    The prelude to the Iraq War was a failure of the Bush Administration? What an absurd assertion. The Iraq War was a bi-partisan Democrat and Republican decision which had the support of a vast majority of Americans.

    The causes of the prelude to Katrina were natural; are you now going to desperately assert that the Bush Administration caused them; how typically naïve of you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Those are topics for other threads, of course, but nowhere in your post did I see any moral justification for the topic in which I assume you disagree with me over, namely that torture is/is not acceptable policy.
    The moral justification for the methods conducted and used by the Bush Administration lies in the FACT that in the aftermath of 9-11, the Government felt compelled to use certain techniques in order to extract critical information from desperate thugs intent on killing as many of our citizens as they can for the mere fact that they are Americans in order to protect American lives.

    The trite hypocrisy being exposed here by Liberals like you is this desperate assertion about morality, something that Liberals are always quick to dismiss.

    Carry on; I look forward to more of your desperate contortions to debate morality in Government. Nothing amazes me more when the very citizens the previous administration tried to protect want to now prosecute them for their efforts to protect them from desperate terrorists who think nothing of sawing their heads off while they scream for mercy as if there is a moral argument to protect such thuggery.

    You cannot fabricate the level of demagoguery, hypocrisy and willful ignorance it takes to take such positions and make such arguments.

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    Re: Banned Techniques Yielded ‘High Value Information,’ Memo Says

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Here's two of them...but of course you need more PROOF

    Two US Soldiers Found Tortured to Death in Iraq

    THIS is what happens when morons watch 24 and trust idiots like Dick Cheney. REAL heroes die.
    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Here's two of them...but of course you need more PROOF

    Two US Soldiers Found Tortured to Death in Iraq

    THIS is what happens when morons watch 24 and trust idiots like Dick Cheney. REAL heroes die.
    So in your desperate and torturous attempts to defend the rabid absurdity of your arguments; you believe that this is a case where our troops were despicably treated being a direct result of our efforts to extract information at Guantanamo?

    This goes beyond willful suspension of disbelief; this borders on incredulity of your inability to separate your rabid partisan nonsense from reality dude.

    Yes I can hear the terrorists now; “we will take these people and torture them as a direct result of the water boarding our brethren in Guantanamo have been subjected to teach the infidels a lesson. Had they not waterboarded our brethren, we would not have taken these people captive, tortured them and then viciously killed them.”

    You are beyond a clown like caricature of tortured logic.

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    Re: Banned Techniques Yielded ‘High Value Information,’ Memo Says

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Here's two of them...but of course you need more PROOF

    Two US Soldiers Found Tortured to Death in Iraq

    THIS is what happens when morons watch 24 and trust idiots like Dick Cheney. REAL heroes die.
    This is proof that troops got tortured, it gives no reasons outside they were captured by terrorist who regularly torture.
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    Re: Banned Techniques Yielded ‘High Value Information,’ Memo Says

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Here's two of them...but of course you need more PROOF

    Two US Soldiers Found Tortured to Death in Iraq

    THIS is what happens when morons watch 24 and trust idiots like Dick Cheney. REAL heroes die.
    And do you have any proof what so ever that somehow this is a result of "Dick Cheney" or American "torture" or anything of the sort?

    ANY PROOF at all?

    Or is this just asinine idiotic speculation on your part so you can get on your soap box and make a rant like the good little hyper partisan liberal that acts like if a kid **** in a pool its Bush's fault that you are? Not to mention, interesting that....they were torutred to death huh? How long were they gone.

    Oh, I know, I bet they waterboarded them to death. Or maybe they put them in a box with a bug and told them it had a stinger. I bet THAT'S how they died!

    Abu Ghraib happened in 2004, which was the first major news of any kind of any possible "torture" by the U.S. I'm sure the terrorists that kidnapped and killed Daniel Pearl in 2002 must've been psychic, seeing into the future and doing such a horrendous act to him because of the U.S.'s foul use of sleep deprivation.

    Can our actions potentially affect our soldiers? Yes. HOWEVER, there is absolutely ZERO evidence here that this happened specifically due to our "torture" that I know of, and beyond that even when they CLAIM that is the reason HISTORY shows that they have no issues executing people and torturing them for any and all reasons and simply use whatever is the hot topic of the day to attempt to propogandize said deaths.

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    Re: Banned Techniques Yielded ‘High Value Information,’ Memo Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    So in your desperate and torturous attempts to defend the rabid absurdity of your arguments; you believe that this is a case where our troops were despicably treated being a direct result of our efforts to extract information at Guantanamo?

    This goes beyond willful suspension of disbelief; this borders on incredulity of your inability to separate your rabid partisan nonsense from reality dude.

    Yes I can hear the terrorists now; “we will take these people and torture them as a direct result of the water boarding our brethren in Guantanamo have been subjected to teach the infidels a lesson. Had they not waterboarded our brethren, we would not have taken these people captive, tortured them and then viciously killed them.”

    You are beyond a clown like caricature of tortured logic.
    Prove to me these soldiers were not tortured and killed as a result of the torture of detainees at Abu Ghraib during the previous year. Are you SURE there is no link? Is the risk of a direct link so impossible that you still approve of torture? Do you not acknowledge that troops captured in the field are at risk of torture if their government is using torture on detainees? And try to answer intelligently, if you are capable of it. Meanwhile, here is yet more evidence of retaliation, this time in response for the Abu Ghraib photos:

    The discovery of these photos has further angered the Iraqi forces of resistance. And in retaliation, a group of Iraqi soldiers abducted, and beheaded, an American civilian who was independently working in Iraq.
    Youth Radio

    This is reality. Americans have been killed and tortured because of the misguided and ILLEGAL decision by the Bush White House to torture detainees.

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