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    Re: Banned Techniques Yielded ‘High Value Information,’ Memo Says

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    It's better to let people die then offend the weak by using "torture".
    "Offend the weak"? So, if you are against torture, you are weak? This is good to know.
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    Re: Banned Techniques Yielded ‘High Value Information,’ Memo Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Would you torture a person in order to save the lives of your family or countrymen? It's a terribly simply question.
    Absolutely not. Shame on you for asking.
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    Re: Banned Techniques Yielded ‘High Value Information,’ Memo Says

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Welfare is unconstitutional, I don't see you railing against that. Of course not, because it's part of the liberal agenda. Please spare us the feigned outrage.
    You show me where in the constitution where it says that welfare is illegal and I'll start to take you seriously.
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    Re: Banned Techniques Yielded ‘High Value Information,’ Memo Says

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    "Offend the weak"? So, if you are against torture, you are weak? This is good to know.
    Don't forget, if you don't support the president or our wars then you are unpatriotic. I think we've seen this game before from them don't you?
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    Re: Banned Techniques Yielded ‘High Value Information,’ Memo Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Indy View Post
    You show me where in the constitution where it says that welfare is illegal and I'll start to take you seriously.
    That's not how it works.

    If the power to create something is not specifically granted by the constitution, then the power to create it does not exist.

    If the government does someting that it hasnt been given the power to do, then whatever it is doing is unconstitutional.

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    Re: Banned Techniques Yielded ‘High Value Information,’ Memo Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    That's not how it works.

    If the power to create something is not specifically granted by the constitution, then the power to create it does not exist.

    If the government does someting that it hasnt been given the power to do, then whatever it is doing is unconstitutional.
    The Powers of Congress
    The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States
    To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
    The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
    Yeah, your final conclusion that welfare is unconstitutional is wrong.
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    Re: Banned Techniques Yielded ‘High Value Information,’ Memo Says

    It's sad that people still use a tragedy like 9/11 to justify their blind nationalism and extremist views on torture. I'm sure torture does yield results just as I'm sure killing a prisoner's entire family in front of them would yield results. Does that mean that we should do it? There has to be a line that we shouldn't cross and the fact that the line is now getting blurred in the name of nationalism should frighten everyone.

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    Re: Banned Techniques Yielded ‘High Value Information,’ Memo Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Indy;1058000863
    The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States
    You highlighted the wrong part.

    This clause creates the power to tax; it doesnt create the power to create the welfare state. Taxes may be used to pay for various things, including the common defense and the general welfare, but this clause doesn't convey the power to do anything other than to tax.

    The powers to provide for the common defense and the general welfare? They are found in the 17 clauses that follow this one.

    So, my statement stands -- no power to create = unconstitutional.

    Show me where the constitution it says the government shalll have the power to create the welfare state, and I'll start to take you seriously.

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    Re: Banned Techniques Yielded ‘High Value Information,’ Memo Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    High value is a matter of opinion. Torture has specific uses, it is sometimes good for getting info on specific plans and only if you have other info to back it up and enough knowledgbe to trawl through the usual large amount of dubious info thrown in.

    But whether it gives decent info is something very different to whether it should be used, whether it is worth the dishonour and the precedent.
    Who cares what you, or anyone else THINKS might have happened? Who the F cares what anyone THINKS may have been useful or helpful?

    The FACT remains that releasing this information, conducting witch hunts for purely political purposes do NOTHING to improve the political situation in the world or here in the US, it does NOTHING to make us safer and it does NOTHING to improve our status in the world.

    It begs the question; why would ANYONE with a modicum of intelligence believe that this incredibly stupid effort is nothing more than ingrates with the intelligence of a salamander attempting to continue to impugn the previous administration for purely partisan political purposes?

    What Obama and leading Democrats are doing is incredibly stupid and requires the intelligence of an ostrich. But alas, for those of us who didn't vote for these ingrates for the reasons we see now, how can we be surprised.

    I am looking forward to the cretins infesting the Congress to submit subpoenas to prosecute the previous lawyers and Cabinet members of the Bush Administration and holding their trite little Kangaroo court which will accomplish absolutely NOTHING but delight those who wish us harm and are our enemies.

    It begs the question; why do fellow Americans hate this country so much?

    Oh gosh, silly me, it is now PATRIOTIC to conduct useless witch hunts of past administrations for purely partisan political gain!


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    Re: Banned Techniques Yielded ‘High Value Information,’ Memo Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Who cares what you, or anyone else THINKS might have happened? Who the F cares what anyone THINKS may have been useful or helpful?

    The FACT remains that releasing this information, conducting witch hunts for purely political purposes do NOTHING to improve the political situation in the world or here in the US, it does NOTHING to make us safer and it does NOTHING to improve our status in the world.

    It begs the question; why would ANYONE with a modicum of intelligence believe that this incredibly stupid effort is nothing more than ingrates with the intelligence of a salamander attempting to continue to impugn the previous administration for purely partisan political purposes?

    What Obama and leading Democrats are doing is incredibly stupid and requires the intelligence of an ostrich. But alas, for those of us who didn't vote for these ingrates for the reasons we see now, how can we be surprised.

    I am looking forward to the cretins infesting the Congress to submit subpoenas to prosecute the previous lawyers and Cabinet members of the Bush Administration and holding their trite little Kangaroo court which will accomplish absolutely NOTHING but delight those who wish us harm and are our enemies.

    It begs the question; why do fellow Americans hate this country so much?

    Oh gosh, silly me, it is now PATRIOTIC to conduct useless witch hunts of past administrations for purely partisan political gain!

    So people shouldn't be held accountable for their actions if we feel that they have done wrong? Also, how exactly does giving subpoenas to lawyers equate to hating this country? Even if they are doing so for purely partisan reasons I fail to see how that constitutes as hating this country.

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