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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Why does your side of the issue always say this nonsense?
    Why do people fail to see a sarcasm unless the poster explicitly places a /sarcasm/ in the post?


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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Fortunately, the definition has already been settled and it's not your opinion. Waterboarding was considered torture and therefore illegal before the Bush admin and after.
    Really? When exactly did the US government outlaw waterboarding?

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Did anybody bring up that we waterboard many of our own soldiers as part of training them to deal with interrogation?

    Buddies of mine have told me of being waterboarded in advanced training in the service. They said it was virtually impossible not to comply with whatever was being asked of them, but that it did them no lasting harm.

    If we do it to our own soldiers to toughen them up and prepare them for the worst, I have no problem with doing it to known terrorists if we reasonably believe doing so may prevent an attack.

    There's apparently a world of difference between waterboarding, and traditional "torture" such as splinting the fingernails, cutting off body parts, etc.

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    I would rather see that than the diminution of our rights and the loss of our moral standing and the safety of our citizens and military personnel abroad.
    You don't live in the real world do you?

    You'd rather have people killed, DEAD...

    And you cannot name a single RIGHT lost during the Bush years... you actually made me sick
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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    I believe in results.

    8 years before 9/11 we treated Terror like a police problem, culminated in 9/11.

    8 years after 9/11 we used water boarding and other methods and have not been attacked once.

    Now we go back to the pre-9/11 methods? Seriously?
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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I believe in results.

    8 years before 9/11 we treated Terror like a police problem, culminated in 9/11.

    8 years after 9/11 we used water boarding and other methods and have not been attacked once.

    Now we go back to the pre-9/11 methods? Seriously?
    This is specious reasoning. There's no proof that's what did it. We didn't suffer a whole lot of terrorist attacks on the State's soil before hand; it was already a low probability event. You have to get a few sigma out before you can start making any form of claim.
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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    And what if no information is gained? What do you tell that person that you tortured? Sorry?
    I'm not advocating the random and generalized "torture" of "suspected" terrorists. I'm advocating the exclusive "torture" of known terrorists who are thought to have information concerning an impending terrorist attack on the US. If their being "tortured" yielded nothing in the way of substantive information I wouldn't be inclined to apologize. Instead, I would most likely say, "See you in hell, terrorist scum-sucker. It's been a pleasure torturing you."

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Why is torture an option?
    Because it saves lives; does murder?

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'm not even one of those "we cannot torture" people...

    But can you guarantee that 100% of the time that these things happen they always occur to someone that is legitimately a terrorist....let alone someone that has actually violated ANY law or someone that actually has any information?
    Nothing is a 100% guarantee; but it continues to BEG the question, the alternative is to do what? Nothing?

    I am always amused how people can conveniently forget our mindsets right after the 9-11 attacks. But I am stunned how they can pretend that it never occurred or will never be repeated perhaps with even more devastation.

    Denial can do that to people.

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Am I the only one that sees the irony in many of those that scream fascism, tyranny, and socialism with every bailout, environmental protection, or social safety-net, are also some of the biggest defenders of government sanctioned torture, denial of habeas corpus, and warrantless wiretaps?

    You don't trust the government to bail out a bank, but you trust them with torture? You don't trust the government to administer say, unemployment extensions, but you trust them with selectively denying habeas corpus?

    You guys that defend this crap are the very enablers of tyranny and you don't even know it.
    I find it ironic that you have to fabricate arguments to make yours; one that requires the willing suspension of disbelief.

    There is a VAST difference between a Government that wants to stick it's hands into every facet of our lives and redistribute it's citizens wealth on what IT feels is best for the nation, it is a completely different one than a Government trying desperately to protect it's citizens from it's enemies.

    However, I am not surprised with the desperate attempts to fabricate arguments from Liberals like you; after all, you are the same one's who pretended to care about deficit spending; when a Republican was in charge. Now it makes perfect sense to watch the Government descend into a debt bath of $1.8 trillion; got hypocrisy?

    Carry on; I look forward to more irony from Liberals who say Obama wants to bring us all together while he releases sensitive memos wrenching the country into TWO distinct camps and then they attempt to put those who authorized these actions on trial in the public arena. You just can't fabricate the level of ignorance, arrogance and hypocrisy it must take to be a Democrat these days.

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