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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Could just be that the story was older than dirt. This thread is about 2 years old.
    it is older than dirt, but proved to be false. We actually tharted that plot before we even captured KSM.

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    from the ig report published by doj:

    Mohammed described plans to strike targets in Saudi Arabia, East Asia and the United States after the Sept. 11 attacks, including using a network of Pakistanis "to target gas stations, railroad tracks, and the Brooklyn bridge in New York." Cross-referencing material from different detainees, and leveraging information from one to extract more detail from another, the CIA and FBI went on to round up operatives both in the United States and abroad.

    "Detainees in mid-2003 helped us build a list of 70 individuals -- many of whom we had never heard of before -- that al-Qaeda deemed suitable for Western operations," according to the CIA summary.

    Mohammed was an unparalleled source in deciphering al-Qaeda's strategic doctrine, key operatives and likely targets, the summary said.
    How a Detainee Became An Asset - washingtonpost.com

    "preeminent source," anyone?

    credit belongs to president obama for not dismantling the anti terror tactics he inherited, despite his best efforts to strip em---gitmo, detention, the patriot act---thus allowing our agents and seals to assassinate the target

    USA!

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    We've all seen that. However, as I keep telling you, no specfics are mentioned. In fact, when Cheney tried to give an example, it proved to be not even possible.

    But from your article:

    During the harshest period of my interrogation I gave a lot of false information in order to satisfy what I believed the interrogators wished to hear in order to make the ill-treatment stop. I later told interrogators that their methods were stupid and counterproductive. I'm sure that the false information I was forced to invent in order to make the ill-treatment stop wasted a lot of their time," he said.

    So, we have no evidenc eof much other than him confessing to everything. I think he even confessed to killing the Easter Bunny. Torture is good at getting confessions. The one example V+Cheney gave proved false. So, why do you accetp the claim?

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    So, why do you accetp (sic) the claim?
    ask the ag, aristotle

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    We've all seen that. However, as I keep telling you, no specfics are mentioned. In fact, when Cheney tried to give an example, it proved to be not even possible.

    But from your article:

    During the harshest period of my interrogation I gave a lot of false information in order to satisfy what I believed the interrogators wished to hear in order to make the ill-treatment stop. I later told interrogators that their methods were stupid and counterproductive. I'm sure that the false information I was forced to invent in order to make the ill-treatment stop wasted a lot of their time," he said.

    So, we have no evidenc eof much other than him confessing to everything. I think he even confessed to killing the Easter Bunny. Torture is good at getting confessions. The one example V+Cheney gave proved false. So, why do you accetp the claim?
    I repeat.


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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    no specfics are mentioned
    you expect specifics?

    from langley?

    LOL!

    After enduring the CIA's harshest interrogation methods and spending more than a year in the agency's secret prisons, Khalid Sheik Mohammed stood before U.S. intelligence officers in a makeshift lecture hall, leading what they called "terrorist tutorials." In 2005 and 2006, the bearded, pudgy man who calls himself the mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks discussed a wide variety of subjects, including Greek philosophy and al-Qaeda dogma. In one instance, he scolded a listener for poor note-taking and his inability to recall details of an earlier lecture. Speaking in English, Mohammed "seemed to relish the opportunity, sometimes for hours on end, to discuss the inner workings of al-Qaeda and the group's plans, ideology and operatives," said one of two sources who described the sessions, speaking on the condition of anonymity because much information about detainee confinement remains classified. "He'd even use a chalkboard at times."

    These scenes provide previously unpublicized details about the transformation of the man known to U.S. officials as KSM from an avowed and truculent enemy of the United States into what the CIA called its "preeminent source" on al-Qaeda. This reversal occurred after Mohammed was subjected to simulated drowning and prolonged sleep deprivation, among other harsh interrogation techniques. "KSM, an accomplished resistor, provided only a few intelligence reports prior to the use of the waterboard, and analysis of that information revealed that much of it was outdated, inaccurate or incomplete," according to newly unclassified portions of a 2004 report by the CIA's then-inspector general released Monday by the Justice Department. The debate over the effectiveness of subjecting detainees to psychological and physical pressure is in some ways irresolvable, because it is impossible to know whether less coercive methods would have achieved the same result. But for defenders of waterboarding, the evidence is clear: Mohammed cooperated, and to an extraordinary extent, only when his spirit was broken in the month after his capture March 1, 2003, as the inspector general's report and other documents released this week indicate.

    One former U.S. official with detailed knowledge of how the interrogations were carried out said Mohammed, like several other detainees, seemed to have decided that it was okay to stop resisting after he had endured a certain amount of pressure. "Once the harsher techniques were used on [detainees], they could be viewed as having done their duty to Islam or their cause, and their religious principles would ask no more of them," said the former official, who requested anonymity because the events are still classified. "After that point, they became compliant. Obviously, there was also an interest in being able to later say, 'I was tortured into cooperating.'" Mohammed described plans to strike targets in Saudi Arabia, East Asia and the United States after the Sept. 11 attacks, including using a network of Pakistanis "to target gas stations, railroad tracks, and the Brooklyn bridge in New York." Cross-referencing material from different detainees, and leveraging information from one to extract more detail from another, the CIA and FBI went on to round up operatives both in the United States and abroad. "Detainees in mid-2003 helped us build a list of 70 individuals -- many of who we had never heard of before -- that al-Qaeda deemed suitable for Western operations," according to the CIA summary.
    link above

    credit belongs to president obama for not, despite his best efforts, dismantling the anti terror methods of his predecessor, making this assassination possible

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Actually he did. We don't troture any more. And you have not addressed anything I've presented.

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    the only thing i ever saw you present were links to whitehouse.gov, comedy central and sydney, australia

    LOL!

    "preeminent source"

    "after his spirit was broken"

    them's the words made public by eric holder's doj, dudes

    credit goes to president obama for being too weak domestically to realize his attempts to close gitmo, end rendition and detention and the patriot act...

    all of which, including eit's, made this ASSASSINATION possible

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A


    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    going back to detroit, eh, chairman?

    take sydney

    meanwhile, inspector general, cia, as issued by eric holder's doj on the monday preceding aug 29, 2009:

    ksm transformed, reversed, from being an avowed and truculent enemy of the us to a preeminent source who cooperated to an extraordinary extent, providing names, targets, methodologies, allowing our heroic intel agents (whom this administration wants to prosecute) to roundup and arrest dozens of operatives, many of whom langley had never heard of before, leveraging info from one to access another and cross referencing data with what others (including zebaydah, libi and ghul, all of whom were eit'd) were saying, leading us to the courier kuwaiti (after a wiretapping) and allowing us to assassinate ubl

    just the facts, maam

    have a nice trip

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