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My Endo doc went over my blood work. "I see your estrogen level is now at 315, do you feel like you have too much Estrogen now?"
I told her "... N... N.. No..." and started crying.
What's at contention is the relative usefulness of the EITs. If EITs are relatively useful when compared to the ITs then there may be a point to your question. However, if EITs are not shown to be any more useful, then your point made in the question is moot.
It's not enough to show that EITs produce info--'cause that's not really in question--but it needs to be shown whether EITs are as useful as ITs. The IG report points out that EITs increase the production of intelligence reports. It also notes that quantity of reports is not the same thing as quality of information. As the CIA noted in their infamous KUBARK manual, time spent verifying false leads is counter-productive.
Given the other issues associated with EITs, EITs would have to be shown to be superior to ITs before they would be a good choice. If EITs were only "as good" as ITs then there wouldn't be much to justify using EITs over ITs.
You also have to consider the possibility that what you did may have cost people their lives because you wasted time breaking his knees instead of using a more effective method of acquiring information. OR that you cost people their lives because we had to waste time chasing down the bad leads the guy gave.
The point in question is that harsh techniques may not be the fastest or most reliable method available. If you would have trouble sleeping, then perhaps you should use the best methods available. And it's not at all clear that EITs are even as useful as ITs, let alone better.
Oh yeah, your link is broken
I may be wrong.
CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles | CNSnews.com
What a lamo article.
Read the actual report. It doesn't say what the author of this article concludes it does.
I may be wrong.
There is actually quite a body of work and a number of ways of educing information that don't involve EITs.
1) Educing Information
Interrogation: Science and Art Foundations for the Future
Intelligence Science Board National Defense Intelligence College
Washington, DC December 2006
(in particular this section)
KUBARK Counterintelligence Interrogation Review: Observations of an Interrogator – Lessons Learned and Avenues for Further Research
2) KUBARK [CIA] Counterintelligence Interrogation
3) Anything about Hanns Scharff
"hanns scharff" - Google Search
Hanns Scharff - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I may be wrong.
Holy thread necro batman
"I am appalled that somebody who is the nominee...would take that kind of position"
"A court took away a presidency"
"...the brother of a man running for president was the governor of the state..."
It's horrifying because Trump is blunt instead of making overt implications.
Interesting discussion by all.. Well most all members..
My take is simple really. I see it like this. In all of my life, in every situation where I felt I was in danger, I had NO trouble at all identifying who it was that presented me with that danger, or where that danger was coming from.
Muslim's walking down a street are not dangerous, however, Muslim's walking down a street chanting death to America, presents a level of danger to me and mine.
Conversely, a Muslim involved in nefarious business, or in a position where they ought not to be, presents a danger to me and mine than a Muslim taking his kids out for ice cream.
Philosophy - Muslim's who eat Ice Cream are ok, Muslim's who chant death to America are torture bound, and I have no trouble sleeping at night.
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