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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    I didn't check the whole thread, but not even Fox (or Drudge for that matter) is carrying this "news."

    Furthermore, where is the actual interview or memo?

    When neither Fox nor Drudge carry such allegedly important news, the authenticity of such a report seems extremely dubious.

    Amusing. CNS is a subsidiary of the firm that started the Parents Television Council, the same group that accounted for over 99% of the FCC's indecency complaints. Tone at the top anyone?

    Excuse me while I wait for something more credible.
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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Obama released a 2005 memo which show the waterboarding garnered actionable intelligence in not only a planned attack against LA but also the capture of one of the other of the three waterboarded.

    Khalid Sheikh Mohammed broke do to waterboarding and that breaking saved lives.

    Former Vice President Cheney made clear there where results and had no problem whatsoever calling for the information of those results to be released cleanly.

    Lefts desperate to retain their version of the story. If that requires dismissal of facts, defamation of any source they don't like..well that is not a problem. Proof?..just look around the various search engines for info on this subject and you will find numerous Far Left blog type sites spinning routines and googlebombing.

    Obama stepped in a pile of doo doo trying to defame the CIA with his selective memo release. Ever since he was called out to provide the other half of the story nobody as seen the big earred twit.
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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    The proof is in the pudding. Show me the ingredients.
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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    Obama released a 2005 memo which show the waterboarding garnered actionable intelligence in not only a planned attack against LA but also the capture of one of the other of the three waterboarded.

    Khalid Sheikh Mohammed broke do to waterboarding and that breaking saved lives.

    Former Vice President Cheney made clear there where results and had no problem whatsoever calling for the information of those results to be released cleanly.
    All you have are empty assertions with no proof. In fact, at least one of your assertions (waterboarding provided intel that disrputed the LA plot) is 100% false:

    CIA official: no proof harsh techniques stopped terror attacks

    "The CIA inspector general in 2004 found that there was no conclusive proof that waterboarding or other harsh interrogation techniques helped the Bush administration thwart any "specific imminent attacks," according to recently declassified Justice Department memos. The IG's report is among several indications that the Bush administration's use of abusive interrogation methods was less productive than some former administration officials have claimed. President Bush told a September 2006 news conference that one plot, to attack a Los Angeles office tower, was "derailed" in early 2002 ó before the harsh CIA interrogation measures were approved, contrary to those who claim that waterboarding revealed it. Last December, FBI Director Robert Mueller told Vanity Fair magazine that he didn't believe that intelligence gleaned from abusive interrogation techniques had disrupted any attacks on America."

    Maybe someday the pro-torture crowd will be able to support their assertions that torture leads to valuable intelligence. We've been waiting for a long time...funny how such an assertion is so hard to prove huh? Maybe there's a clue somewhere in that.

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Think about this for one second. With all the leaks that Bush and Cheney and Rove leaked over the last 8 years, don't you think if they had any real proof that any attack was thwarted because of any torture that we would have heard about it a long time ago?

    Why didn't they leak it to their favorite lying journalist, Robert Novak? He certainly wouldn't require any proof. He never has before.

    Cheney claiming that he has two (2!) files in his desk that prove this, when he knows they don't, and they probably contain info that he knows is sensitive and that probably can't be de-classified, is disengenuous... at best.

    And after 8 years.... only 2 examples? That should seal the case for torture. It's obviously undependable and didn't work.
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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Think about this for one second. With all the leaks that Bush and Cheney and Rove leaked over the last 8 years, don't you think if they had any real proof that any attack was thwarted because of any torture that we would have heard about it a long time ago?

    Why didn't they leak it to their favorite lying journalist, Robert Novak? He certainly wouldn't require any proof. He never has before.

    Cheney claiming that he has two (2!) files in his desk that prove this, when he knows they don't, and they probably contain info that he knows is sensitive and that probably can't be de-classified, is disengenuous... at best.

    And after 8 years.... only 2 examples? That should seal the case for torture. It's obviously undependable and didn't work.
    Well someone with a logical brain would know the reasons they didn't leak any information regarding these efforts; they were more interested in protecting Americans and innocents than they were with petty partisan political efforts.

    But seeing that you are on tack asking "logical" questions, here's one for you.

    If the case for illegal use of torture is as clear as you so desperately attempt to illustrate, why then with a Democrat majority since 2006 and a current Democrat White House are NO efforts to impeach or try these OBVIOUS crimes been engaged into?

    Why is it with such vast majorities that the Democrats have brought not one charge or shred of evidence of cause for criminal prosecutions been brought forth?

    The answer is as OBVIOUS as the nose on your face; but it requires you to open your eyes to see it. One cannot see the truth when one closes their eyes so tightly to the TRUTH.

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Well someone with a logical brain would know the reasons they didn't leak any information regarding these efforts; they were more interested in protecting Americans and innocents than they were with petty partisan political efforts.
    Actually, I think a logical person would acknowledge that either scenario is plausible, and that they both require a lot of assumptions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    But seeing that you are on tack asking "logical" questions, here's one for you.

    If the case for illegal use of torture is as clear as you so desperately attempt to illustrate, why then with a Democrat majority since 2006 and a current Democrat White House are NO efforts to impeach or try these OBVIOUS crimes been engaged into?

    Why is it with such vast majorities that the Democrats have brought not one charge or shred of evidence of cause for criminal prosecutions been brought forth?
    I think it's because the rabbit hole goes deep enough to put a few Dems behind bars too. It's why that spineless wench Pelosi said the impeachment of Bush was "off the table" from the beginning. Dems were complicit in the Iraq AUMF, they were complicit in the warrantless wiretapping program, and they were complicit in the systematic torture of enemy combatants. Many of them are just as guilty as anyone in the Bush admin, so of course they aren't really interested in doing anything except lip service.

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    I think it's because the rabbit hole goes deep enough to put a few Dems behind bars too. It's why that spineless wench Pelosi said the impeachment of Bush was "off the table" from the beginning. Dems were complicit in the Iraq AUMF, they were complicit in the warrantless wiretapping program, and they were complicit in the systematic torture of enemy combatants. Many of them are just as guilty as anyone in the Bush admin, so of course they aren't really interested in doing anything except lip service.
    There is more truth in the above statement than perhaps even you and I comprehend.

    But it is good that you understand the basic REALITY about why this whole debate is a specious unwarranted partisan political witch-hunt NOT intended to reach for a higher morality than our enemies but possibly just another pathetic partisan attempt to prosecute good people in the court of public opinion for purely partisan political purposes.

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Well someone with a logical brain would know the reasons they didn't leak any information regarding these efforts; they were more interested in protecting Americans and innocents than they were with petty partisan political efforts.
    Oh ok. Do you think Cheney and Rove's leaks about Valerie Wilson put any lives in danger? I read somewhere that a contact of hers was found dead soon after she was outted. Coincidence? Or don't you care about their lives since those leaks served Cheney's agenda?

    But seeing that you are on tack asking "logical" questions, here's one for you.

    If the case for illegal use of torture is as clear as you so desperately attempt to illustrate, why then with a Democrat majority since 2006 and a current Democrat White House are NO efforts to impeach or try these OBVIOUS crimes been engaged into?

    Why is it with such vast majorities that the Democrats have brought not one charge or shred of evidence of cause for criminal prosecutions been brought forth?

    The answer is as OBVIOUS as the nose on your face; but it requires you to open your eyes to see it. One cannot see the truth when one closes their eyes so tightly to the TRUTH.
    To this I'm sure we have different answers. The truth is twofold. While dubya was in office the Dems didn't have the votes (they needed Repub votes) to make any headway with these issues. And more and more info has come out now putting the picture in better focus as to just what that corrupt administration's actions were in regards to what they said they were doing and what they actually did.

    I look forward to your twists on this.
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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Oh ok. Do you think Cheney and Rove's leaks about Valerie Wilson put any lives in danger? I read somewhere that a contact of hers was found dead soon after she was outted. Coincidence? Or don't you care about their lives since those leaks served Cheney's agenda?
    What alternate planet do you live on? Where was there ever ANY evidence that the Plame affair had NOTHING to do with Cheney or Rove?

    Again, perhaps you find it rational to fabricate your own reality to impugn those your politically disagree with, but I assure you there is nothing rational about your desperate antics.

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    To this I'm sure we have different answers. The truth is twofold. While dubya was in office the Dems didn't have the votes (they needed Repub votes) to make any headway with these issues. And more and more info has come out now putting the picture in better focus as to just what that corrupt administration's actions were in regards to what they said they were doing and what they actually did.

    I look forward to your twists on this.
    The only one twisting desperately spewing lies happens to be you. The Democrats could have esily brought up impeachment charges regardless of their votes; they didnít do it because they didnít have sufficient evidence to bring up such specious politically charged claims.

    All the fantastical diatribe, lies and fabrications in the world wonít change those very basic and simple FACTS.

    I can hardly say I would look forward to more of your twists and distorted version of reality, but I am certain there are more to come.

    Your irrational misplaced hate for Bush and Republicans aside, the least you could do is make some sense.

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