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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    Expect to see this type of dishonesty quite a bit among the liberal talking heads. Chris Matthews continues to rant about Abu Ghraib when arguing that Bush & Cheney should be investigated, conveniently ignoring that those responsible for the incident have been punished, either through jail time or ruined careers.

    Mix up and distort the facts and events, toss out as many ugly photos as possible, whip the public into a frenzy... and there you go.

    Our first mistake is to assume that the people making these superfluous arguments are not interested in honesty or truth, this is about partisan political gamesmanship; nothing more.

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Those responsible for saving innocent lives lived and worked in the White House.
    Talk about dishonesty!
    I corrected your remarks; no bother.

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Those responsible for torturing innocent lives and gutting our Constitutionlived and worked in the White House.
    Talk about dishonesty!
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    I corrected your remarks; no bother.
    Why thank you! I didn't think you knew the difference.
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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Those responsible lived and worked in the White House.
    Talk about dishonesty!
    If you have some evidence that the White House authorized sodomizing detainees, urinating on detainees, pouring acid on detainees, forcing detainees to masturbate or commit homosexual acts, or exposing detainees to venomous snake bites... feel free to provide it.

    If you have some evidence that the White House also authorized the U.S. guards who committed these violations to make pornographic videos of each other, feel free to provide that too.


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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    If you have some evidence that the White House authorized sodomizing detainees, urinating on detainees, pouring acid on detainees, forcing detainees to masturbate or commit homosexual acts, or exposing detainees to venomous snake bites... feel free to provide it.

    If you have some evidence that the White House also authorized the U.S. guards who committed these violations to make pornographic videos of each other, feel free to provide that too.
    You really need to get out more, turn on the news - any channel!, read a newspaper or magazine.
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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Torture tape delays U.S.-UAE nuclear deal, say U.S. officials

    In related news....

    "In the tape, an Afghan grain dealer is seen being tortured by a member of the royal family of Abu Dhabi, one of the UAE's seven emirates.

    The senior U.S. officials said the administration has held off on the ratification process because it believes sensitivities over the story can hurt its passage. The tape emerged in a federal civil lawsuit filed in Houston, Texas, by Bassam Nabulsi, a U.S. citizen, against Sheikh Issa bin Zayed al Nahyan. Former business partners, the men had a falling out, in part over the tape. In a statement to CNN, the sheikh's U.S. attorney said Nabulsi is using the videotape to influence the court over a business dispute."


    "UAE Ambassador to the U.S. Yousef Al Otaiba told CNN his government always expected the deal to be sent to the Senate in early May, regardless of the controversy surrounding the tape.

    "As far as we are concerned, the deal is on track and this has not affected the timing," he said."
    Thank you

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    You really need to get out more, turn on the news - any channel!, read a newspaper or magazine.
    Well I do... which is why I understand what crimes were committed at Abu Ghraib, who committed them, what the investigations found, who was punished, who took responsibility, etc... rather than spouting nonsense which I can't back up with a single reliable source.

    It helps to keep informed of events like this so when I engage in mundane debates on Internet message boards, while I might not change stubborn minds, at the very least I won't expose myself to be a complete ignoramus.


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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    Well I do... which is why I understand what crimes were committed at Abu Ghraib, who committed them, what the investigations found, who was punished, who took responsibility, etc... rather than spouting nonsense which I can't back up with a single reliable source.

    It helps to keep informed of events like this so when I engage in mundane debates on Internet message boards, while I might not change stubborn minds, at the very least I won't expose myself to be a complete ignoramus.
    Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld authorized the torture techniques for Abu Ghraib and Gitmo. Me thinks your definition of "informed" needs updating.

    To claim to be informed and not know this would expose you as... oh... an ignoramus!
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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld authorized the torture techniques for Abu Ghraib and Gitmo.
    Your inability to address specific issues illustrates why this investigation will go nowhere. You and Chris Matthews and the liberal blogosphere can scream 'Abu Ghraib' til you're blue... it means nothing.


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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    Your inability to address specific issues illustrates why this investigation will go nowhere. You and Chris Matthews and the liberal blogosphere can scream 'Abu Ghraib' til you're blue... it means nothing.


    Armed Services committee report

    It appears many interrogation techniques were authorized. I do think many people are jumping the gun when they lump it all as kneejerk "torture".

    Quite an interesting read.

    You have to take into account many of the usual suspects are on that committee. Cornyn seems to be a relatively honest fellow. For a politician. The rest collectively arent worth a happy meal in honest value.



    "a second FBI agent present did not have a "'moral
    objection'" to the techniques and noted that he had "undergone comparable harsh interrogation techniques as part ofthe U.S. Army Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape (SERE) training"

    Tons of mixed information in that.
    Thank you

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