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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Did you work up that propaganda piece on your own or did someone have to help you take things out of context and juxtapose questions and answers? When you need to fake a conversation in order drive an Ad hom at someone then you really have bigger problems than who got tortured and when...
    Unlike your obvious parroting of Liberal talking points, I need to a moveon.org to do my thinking for me; but thank you for asking just the same.

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Your false assertion is beyond offensive and inane; the suggestion that our treatment of terrorists is anything at the level of theirs requires the willful ignorance displayed by rabid hyper partisans like you for purely partisan political purposes.

    Why must you resort to lies and distortions to make your points?
    You don't read so good, huh?

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    This is your version of the light, how trite:

    Contacted after the completion of the ABC News investigation, CIA officials would neither confirm nor deny the accounts. They simply declined to comment.

    The CIA sources described a list of six "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques" instituted in mid-March 2002 and used, they said, on a dozen top al Qaeda targets incarcerated in isolation at secret locations on military bases in regions from Asia to Eastern Europe. According to the sources, only a handful of CIA interrogators are trained and authorized to use the techniques:


    By the way, I didn't see one credible name attached to these "so-called" sources did you?

    So who are these secret "sources?" Do we just take the News Media for its word that these are indeed credible and knowledgeable sources; if so then why?

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    You don't read so good, huh?
    What part of your offensive diatribe did I not comprehend?

    Originally Posted by Slippery Slope
    I don't care how our enemy behaves because we are better than that and shouldn't sink to their level.


    Did you type this, or was it your OTHER personality we are dealing with here. It is pretty obvious you are suggesting that OUR methods sink to THIER level is it not?


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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Uhh you arent in any light. If anything you just shot what questionable credibility you may have had.

    You should really read your own references you are using to support your arguments.


    One guy died from hypothermia in afghanistan from being left outside. He did not die from "waterboarding" as is the topic of discussion.

    The cause of the 2nd/3rd death is completely unspecified.

    I wont say it cant happen because I believe anything can happen when the human body is stressed.

    Regardless, your point is unsupported and you made up what you wanted to find as a reference.

    Lots of pants on fire today. Must be a heatwave.
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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Your original assertion was "Waterboarding has killed and maimed people."

    When asked for proof of that, you linked to the above article. That article provides no reports of death or maiming from recent U.S. waterboarding. It does describe three deaths of prisoners abroad:

    The sources said that in that case a young, untrained junior officer caused the death of one detainee at a mud fort dubbed the "salt pit" that is used as a prison. They say the death occurred when the prisoner was left to stand naked throughout the harsh Afghanistan night after being doused with cold water. He died, they say, of hypothermia.

    According to the sources, a second CIA detainee died in Iraq and a third detainee died following harsh interrogation by Department of Defense personnel and contractors in Iraq. CIA sources said that in the DOD case, the interrogation was harsh, but did not involve the CIA.
    As far as deaths at GITMO, the only accounts I'm aware of have been suicides. According the the World Health Organization, suicide is the single most common cause of death in correctional facilities.

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Dude, I asked you to support the following claim:

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Waterboarding has killed and maimed people. Now you've heard it.
    Your own source proves that you are either lying in the above or you misunderstood what you have read:

    When properly used, the techniques appear to be closely monitored and are signed off on in writing on a case-by-case, technique-by-technique basis, according to highly placed current and former intelligence officers involved in the program. In this way, they say, enhanced interrogations have been authorized for about a dozen high value al Qaeda targets -- Khalid Sheik Mohammed among them. According to the sources, all of these have confessed, none of them has died, and all of them remain incarcerated.
    The only confirmation of a death was not due to waterboarding. It was due to a technique that I would firmly oppose: Tossing cold water on someone and makign them stand in frigid air.

    Another lie/misunderstanding you have made in this thread, shown to be false by your own evidence, was that KSM only talked after the 182nd attempt.

    According to the sources, CIA officers who subjected themselves to the water boarding technique lasted an average of 14 seconds before caving in. They said al Qaeda's toughest prisoner, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, won the admiration of interrogators when he was able to last between two and two-and-a-half minutes before begging to confess.


    If anything, I'm even more undecided now regarding waterboarding. It seems to work quite well compared to the other techniques if it only takes 2 1/2 minutes to get the intel.

    Now, what I have been decided on for quite some time is that the "cold cell" method is too much and should not be used.

    Even the case of bad intel that they discussed involved this technique as well as waterboarding being used. It does not specify which one was in use when the bad intel was received. Only that it was received after both were used.



    Sorry, but the request was for you to support your comment about waterboarding killing or maiming, not show that hypothermia can kill someone.

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    No, we're not a superpower because we can kick ass and take names.
    Waterboarding has killed and maimed people. Now you've heard it.
    I don't care how our enemy behaves because we are better than that and shouldn't sink to their level.



    this would be a lie.


    not suprised as to the dishonest level you sink to.
    Let evil swiftly befall those who have wrongly condemned us

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    this would be a lie.


    not suprised as to the dishonest level you sink to.
    Expect to see this type of dishonesty quite a bit among the liberal talking heads. Chris Matthews continues to rant about Abu Ghraib when arguing that Bush & Cheney should be investigated, conveniently ignoring that those responsible for the incident have been punished, either through jail time or ruined careers.

    Mix up and distort the facts and events, toss out as many ugly photos as possible, whip the public into a frenzy... and there you go.


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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    Expect to see this type of dishonesty quite a bit among the liberal talking heads. Chris Matthews continues to rant about Abu Ghraib when arguing that Bush & Cheney should be investigated, conveniently ignoring that those responsible for the incident have been punished, either through jail time or ruined careers.

    Mix up and distort the facts and events, toss out as many ugly photos as possible, whip the public into a frenzy... and there you go.

    Those responsible lived and worked in the White House.
    Talk about dishonesty!
    Thank You Barack Obama for Restoring Honor To The Presidency.
    President Obama will rank as one of our greatest presidents!

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