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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaHurt View Post
    Well then Obama is Bush III, he can't speak without a teleprompter. I mean if he actually knew the subject matter, he could have ad libbed a few sentences:
    Obama does Town Halls without a prompter all the time...even in foreign countries. When did your Beloved Bush do that?

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote:Originally Posted by Tucker Case
    You seem to misunderstand, Slippery. Unlike most people, I'm actually undecided either way (read: giving pause).

    Do you have conclusive evidence to suggest that it was not waterboarding that he was referring to? If so, please present it. I would love to see it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    I would say that the lack of specifics is enough evidence. If you don't come right out and say what people are asking, there's probably a reason.
    There you have it folks, the New Liberal legal precedent/standard; you now only have to have a lack of specifics to impugn good men and women in the court of public opinion.

    You cannot fabricate the level of willful denial it takes to even make such arguments.

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by akyron View Post
    KSM was laughing at US "interregation" backrubs and gourmet coffee until the waterboard came out and then generated actionable intel.
    Actually, this is what the Bush lovers would like to believe. The truth is that KSM, and others, were cooperating "until" water boarding began. It was then that they started spewing all kinds of false info, sendng many countries' intel services on wild goose chases costing millions of dollars.

    Read this to yourself 10, 20, 100 or however many times you need to understand its meaning:

    Torture does not produce "RELIABLE" info.
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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote: Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat
    Am I the only one that sees the irony in many of those that scream fascism, tyranny, and socialism with every bailout, environmental protection, or social safety-net, are also some of the biggest defenders of government sanctioned torture, denial of habeas corpus, and warrantless wiretaps?

    You don't trust the government to bail out a bank, but you trust them with torture? You don't trust the government to administer say, unemployment extensions, but you trust them with selectively denying habeas corpus?

    You guys that defend this crap are the very enablers of tyranny and you don't even know it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This has to be the most overlooked post in the entire thread. QFT.
    Gee I love the empty rhetoric game:

    Am I the only one that sees the irony in many of those that scream about torturing terrorists are the same ones claiming Bush lied us into war, Bush is leading us to tyranny, scream Fascism regarding the NSA program, rail about Bush spending the surplus, or claim Bush is a BIG spender and how we lost the war in Iraq and mismanaged it before the job was done are also some of the biggest defenders of BIG government spending, denial of 9-11, defend abortions, defend destroying embryonic stem cells and blaming our Government of immorality and torture?

    You don't trust the government to fight a war in Iraq, but you trust them with managing the economy? You don't trust the government to interrogate terrorists, but you trust them with regulating markets?

    You guys that defend this crap are the very enablers of Leftist tyranny and you don't even know it.

    That stated, the real irony of Southern Democrats uninformed rants is the notion that Bush’s attempts to protect Americans from terrorists in the aftermath of 9-11 are more tyrannical than Obama’s massive takeover of every facet of our economy and massive expansion of Federal Bureaucracy which wants to dictate to us what we can buy, charge us for invisible gasses in the air, dictate to us how much we can pay executives and dictate to banks who they can lend to is NOT a form of tyranny.

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    What other countries, that have engaged in military actions, have worried about their world standing at the time. Why are we the superpower? Because we can kick ass AND take names. And if those names keep our troops alive versus theirs, then I'm willing to put their troops through major discomfort. I haven't heard anyone say that anyone was maimed or killed from waterboarding. Let's ask ourselves how moral is war, and whether the morality of war matters. We have rules of war they we try to govern ourselves by, but they are really guidance because war is chaotic. Our enemy does not have any rules, except what Islam may dictate which appears to have no limits. To achieve victory, which is the entire premise of war, we must adjust to our enemy. I would only expect us to maintain the highest standard just short of risking our troops and victory, and after that we do what we have to.
    I see that many Conservatives here think that this debate is something other than Liberal partisan political posturing intended to impugn political opponents for purely partisan political purposes in the public forum by a willing media that continues to fawn over the President they helped elect.

    Silly Conservatives, logic, reality and coherent rationale mean nothing to the Democrats and Liberals using this issue as a political football.


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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Actually, this is what the Bush lovers would like to believe. The truth is that KSM, and others, were cooperating "until" water boarding began. It was then that they started spewing all kinds of false info, sendng many countries' intel services on wild goose chases costing millions of dollars.

    Read this to yourself 10, 20, 100 or however many times you need to understand its meaning:

    Torture does not produce "RELIABLE" info.
    As opposed to the Bush HATERS who have suddenly discovered morality!

    Good lord, one cannot fabricate the level of desperate hypocrisy it takes to be a Liberal these days.

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Obama does Town Halls without a prompter all the time...even in foreign countries. When did your Beloved Bush do that?



    given your penchant to make stuff up as you go along. Please provide links proving this claim or we will take it for what its worth. nothing,
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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    given your penchant to make stuff up as you go along. Please provide links proving this claim or we will take it for what its worth. nothing,
    Don't you ever turn on your television? I see Obama Town Halls all the time. Find your own damn links.

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Don't you ever turn on your television? I see Obama Town Halls all the time. Find your own damn links.
    So you lied again.


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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    So you lied again.


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    noted and reported. Calling people liars without reason is considered impolite

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