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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    The Bush haters are in a complete panic, and have been for some time.

    If they don't get Bush on something what does that mean?

    It means for eight years they committed treason against the US.

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    The Bush haters are in a complete panic, and have been for some time.

    If they don't get Bush on something what does that mean?

    It means for eight years they committed treason against the US.

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    thanks for the effort tuck. i didn't bother because of the poster involved. you are a better man than i, sir.
    No. I'm not better. I couldn't have gone through SERE training. My hat's off to you on that one.

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    I doubt that anyone who experienced SERE school or was a member of an elite military corps would exhibit the casual disregard for torture, and the disrespect of the military which I see coming from you. I suspect the military background which you brandish so often is a figment of your imagination.
    That's part of it. We were discussing the current fervor about torture because of the CIA memos which is when he told me about the SERE instructor he met almost a year ago. They apparently got aquainted over there and had many talks about the military, the war, the Bush admin, SERE school... He basically confirmed what you suggest, that no one who goes through SERE training takes torture lightly nor do they advocate it. He confirms that they tell you in SERE how to try and make your captors stop, by lying correctly. They put you through a mild version of various techniques so that you understand what will happen to be mentally prepared. In describing the Revs positions on many of these type of things we both conclude that he's either mentally unsound or a liar. That's just our opinion of course.

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    That's part of it. We were discussing the current fervor about torture because of the CIA memos which is when he told me about the SERE instructor he met almost a year ago. They apparently got aquainted over there and had many talks about the military, the war, the Bush admin, SERE school... He basically confirmed what you suggest, that no one who goes through SERE training takes torture lightly nor do they advocate it. He confirms that they tell you in SERE how to try and make your captors stop, by lying correctly. They put you through a mild version of various techniques so that you understand what will happen to be mentally prepared. In describing the Revs positions on many of these type of things we both conclude that he's either mentally unsound or a liar. That's just our opinion of course.



    show some class. I already told you. you want to question my service. pm me and we can compare dd214's, otherwise you need to shut your mouth with your classless lies about me.



    again, now its a year ago? it is you who sounds like he is lying. make up your mind. where was this make believe SERE instructor stationed?


    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    I just spoke to my son who was recently accpeted to Marine Scout/Sniper school. He met a guy in Iraq, guess what he did for the last 6 years... SERE instructor. My son confirms my suspicion, you're a liar who never went to SERE school.


    so was it a year ago, or did you just speak to your son. when did he meet this SERE instructor? either you or your son is lying.

    which is it?
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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    if my loved one's life were directly on the line, I wouldn't hesitate to waterboard someone in order to potentially save my loved one's life. Hell, I would probably cut their legs off if that's what it took to save my loved one's life, let alone a lower grade form of torture.

    In other words, I'm undecided.
    I know this is the classic argument in favor of torture, used countless times in episodes of "24", but I question if this situation has ever existed in reality. And if it did exist in reality, and the subject was a trained terrorist, and the clock was ticking, would he not gladly suffer to complete his mission? That said, I see no circumstances in which torture would work.

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    do you admit you lied about my service?



    when and where did you serve again?
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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    That's part of it. We were discussing the current fervor about torture because of the CIA memos which is when he told me about the SERE instructor he met almost a year ago. They apparently got aquainted over there and had many talks about the military, the war, the Bush admin, SERE school... He basically confirmed what you suggest, that no one who goes through SERE training takes torture lightly nor do they advocate it. He confirms that they tell you in SERE how to try and make your captors stop, by lying correctly. They put you through a mild version of various techniques so that you understand what will happen to be mentally prepared. In describing the Revs positions on many of these type of things we both conclude that he's either mentally unsound or a liar. That's just our opinion of course.
    That was my thinking. Either someone lying about serving, or someone damaged by his service.

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    That was my thinking. Either someone lying about serving, or someone damaged by his service.



    How cowardly to discuss my service on the internet. Like I said before. pm me and i'll tell you how you can see my dd214.....


    You gotta love it when some non serving hack spends his time lying about a veteran's service.


    It shows no class, no integrity, and shows a complete lack of respect for me or for those who served.


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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    I know this is the classic argument in favor of torture, used countless times in episodes of "24", but I question if this situation has ever existed in reality. And if it did exist in reality, and the subject was a trained terrorist, and the clock was ticking, would he not gladly suffer to complete his mission? That said, I see no circumstances in which torture would work.
    I have no idea if it ever existed in reality. I've never been faced with it myself, but there's a lot of **** I've never been faced with.

    All I know is that if the hypothetical were real, and I were facing it, I'd use torture. I cannot in good faith denounce others for using what I myself would use if they are faced with such a situation in reality.

    And neither one of us can offer anything but conjecture regarding the actual existence or nonexistence of such scenarios nor can we offer anything substantial regarding how the terrorists would respond to being tortured in such a scenario.

    Like I said, I'm undecided on it. I'd need actual evidence one way or the other to support or denounce the practice.

    If you could somehow make an actual argument based on more than your questioning of the scenario's likelihood, perhaps I could be swayed. But if all you can put forth is the fact that you question it, or cannot see the situation where it would work, I will obviously remain undecided. What you can or cannot see as plausible has no bearing whatsoever on my decision-making. The fact that it works for you is all well and good, but it isn't exactly a persuasive argument.

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