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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    You can stop it at ANY time!

    It's TRAINING, not real life. And it's a far cry from TORTURE.


    you can? Why the hell didn't they tell me that!
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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    read:

    This is from a guy who went through the NAVY SERE school. my experience was similar.

    Waterboarding: A SERE-ing Experience for Tens of Thousands of US Military Personnel - HUMAN EVENTS
    Intense stuff, but yeah it seemed all controlled. Was that guy tortured? To a degree. They don't do the whole of what we were doing, there's a difference between the training and what we're doing in reality. Differing time scales and such. Training can be torture, BTW. Just because you were trained by specialists doesn't mean that it wasn't torture. There isn't anything innate in those two things which make them mutually exclusive.

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    who knows. I don't have a way back machine so I don't care.
    Well, why don't we just use are brains. We prosecuted the Japanese under war crimes for water boarding and other torture techniques. We now claim water boarding isn't torture. So what is it? Is it torture, or is it fine? I think the real answer people want is that it's torture if done to us, it's not torture if we do it to others. Like terrorism. Strap a bomb to yourself and blow up a market place, you're a terrorist. Drop even bigger bombs from the sky and decimate cities and you're not a terrorist. It seems more to me that people want to set the situation so that whatever it is that we do, we're doing the right thing. Something that seems a bit crazy to me honestly.
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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

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    Only 28% of U.S. voters think the Obama administration should do any further investigating of how the Bush administration treated terrorism suspects.

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Obama actually has no say in the matter, him having a say is a serious misuse of power. The AG prosecutes, and it is his job that if he is aware of crime or wrong doing to look into prosecuting for it. I don't care what voters say based off of propaganda fed to them by the government and media. When government officials act inappropriately, we need to have things in place which hold those officials responsible for their actions.
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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yes, over a long time span.
    We don't even do it to terrorist suspects multiple times per day, every day, over a month or two time span so why would we do it to our soldiers for training?

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Obama actually has no say in the matter, him having a say is a serious misuse of power. The AG prosecutes, and it is his job that if he is aware of crime or wrong doing to look into prosecuting for it. I don't care what voters say based off of propaganda fed to them by the government and media. When government officials act inappropriately, we need to have things in place which hold those officials responsible for their actions.
    Why shouldn't we get ready for Obama to be charged with war crimes for killing Pakistani civilians with Hellfire missiles shot from drones?

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Well, I guess it's a good thing our laws aren't enforced based on how popular, or not, a particular crime is... ehh?
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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Intense stuff, but yeah it seemed all controlled. Was that guy tortured? To a degree. They don't do the whole of what we were doing, there's a difference between the training and what we're doing in reality. Differing time scales and such. Training can be torture, BTW. Just because you were trained by specialists doesn't mean that it wasn't torture. There isn't anything innate in those two things which make them mutually exclusive.



    Well, why don't we just use are brains. We prosecuted the Japanese under war crimes for water boarding and other torture techniques. We now claim water boarding isn't torture. So what is it? Is it torture, or is it fine? I think the real answer people want is that it's torture if done to us, it's not torture if we do it to others. Like terrorism. Strap a bomb to yourself and blow up a market place, you're a terrorist. Drop even bigger bombs from the sky and decimate cities and you're not a terrorist. It seems more to me that people want to set the situation so that whatever it is that we do, we're doing the right thing. Something that seems a bit crazy to me honestly.



    Well we also ruled that german soldiers being held in china after the war were not eligable for constituional rights. We recently changed our minds so its not as black an white as you are making it out to be either.
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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    So if we now train them to resist even more radical training we can now torture our captives or invasion a little harder?

    What if their people compared us to our radicals? Like men decapitating people on public buses for no reason at all. Or greedy men selling illegal weapons to young men in our very own country so they could 2 man storm a school.
    Huh????

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Huh????
    A response to this.
    what doesn't make sense to ya?

    Originally Posted by oldreliable67
    The techniques described in the report are pretty mild when compared to the decapitation practiced by Muslim radicals.

    Did you note also that the techniques described were those that our military submits to in SERE training? Did you note that the implementation guidelines for those techniques were governed by experience gained by subjecting our military to them during SERE training over quite a long period of time?

    Maybe this is the part? "So if we now train our guys to resist even more radical torture methods, we can now torture our captives of invasion a little harder? "

    That's what I meant to say
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