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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Did anybody bring up that we waterboard many of our own soldiers as part of training them to deal with interrogation?

    Buddies of mine have told me of being waterboarded in advanced training in the service. They said it was virtually impossible not to comply with whatever was being asked of them, but that it did them no lasting harm.

    If we do it to our own soldiers to toughen them up and prepare them for the worst, I have no problem with doing it to known terrorists if we reasonably believe doing so may prevent an attack.

    There's apparently a world of difference between waterboarding, and traditional "torture" such as splinting the fingernails, cutting off body parts, etc.

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    Excuse me, I was in the Marines and my son is currently in the Marines. We do not train our military in the use of waterboarding nor do we "prepare" our military to survive capture by waterboarding them.

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    You don't live in the real world do you?

    You'd rather have people killed, DEAD...

    And you cannot name a single RIGHT lost during the Bush years... you actually made me sick
    Yes I would rather see Americans die for the ideals that we stand for. You don't seem to mind it either as long as the Americans are in the military. I think every American should be willing to sacrifice their life to preserve what makes us American.

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I'm not advocating the random and generalized "torture" of "suspected" terrorists. I'm advocating the exclusive "torture" of known terrorists who are thought to have information concerning an impending terrorist attack on the US. If their being "tortured" yielded nothing in the way of substantive information I wouldn't be inclined to apologize. Instead, I would most likely say, "See you in hell, terrorist scum-sucker. It's been a pleasure torturing you."
    you actually made me sick.

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Because it saves lives; does murder?
    There's no proof that it has or does save lives.

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Nothing is a 100% guarantee; but it continues to BEG the question, the alternative is to do what? Nothing?

    I am always amused how people can conveniently forget our mindsets right after the 9-11 attacks. But I am stunned how they can pretend that it never occurred or will never be repeated perhaps with even more devastation.

    Denial can do that to people.
    Fallacious argument. Who said said do nothing? Plenty of field agents from our intel agencies say that there are far better ways to get intel and better intel.

    I am always amused how people can conveniently use 9/11 to promote their authoritarian, barbaric and fear mongering ideals. But I am stunned how they can pretend that sacrificing our morals will stop a terrorist from performing an act of terrorism. One thing we know 100% is that it is indeed a sacrifice of our morals. Fear mongering won't prevent an attack either.

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    You should be the poster child for Liberals Slippery and this should become and advertisement for why Liberals and Liberal Democrats should never obtain leadership positions in Government.

    I am sure the families of the 9-11 victims and the future victims will appreciate that you don't give a rat’s ass about their rights to live in peace and safety in this country as long as we can claim we held the moral high ground by not doing enough to prevent such tragedies.
    I think you and your ilk, along with the last eight years of your policies prove that conservatives should never obtain leadership positions in Government. I'm sure the families of the 9-11 victims and the future victims will appreciate that we don't sacrifice our rights and morals on the very specious idea that it will keep us safe from attack.

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Excuse me, I was in the Marines and my son is currently in the Marines. We do not train our military in the use of waterboarding nor do we "prepare" our military to survive capture by waterboarding them.
    Some do.

    CNSNews.com - Obama Bans Waterboarding Terrorists, But Pentagon Won't Say If It Still Waterboards Military Trainees
    An August 2002 memo on CIA interrogation tactics used on some captured al Qaeda terrorists said the “same techniques" continued to be used on some U.S. military personnel during SERE training.

    Other techniques included slapping, dietary limitations, sleep deprivation and confinement in small rooms. Critics of the interrogation techniques, including President Barack Obama, have called such techniques torture.

    “The mission [of SERE] is to train military members to survive an isolation event,” said Kathleen Jabs, spokeswoman for the U.S. Joint Forces Command, the division of the Defense Department that oversees the SERE program. “It could be a full range of things.”

    When asked whether the training techniques have changed to eliminate waterboarding since the 2002 memo was written, Jabs told CNSNews.com: “The training model they use, they base on scientific research and sound training principles. You have to adequately prepare military personnel for what could happen if they are captured.”
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    There are numerous other sources indicating some of our warriors do undergo such training. 100% understandable.

    What is not understandable or rational is Obama.

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    The Clintons are what happens...
    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Horrible to look at what we did before 9/11, with attacks on our ships, our barracks and yes one OTHER attack on the WTC... and what we did afterwards that resulted in... no attacks.

    I think your problem is that it shows the methods you seem to prefer showed a poor track record.
    If torture works so well why didn't we torture Saddam to find out where the WMDs were?

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    But some humans need to be killed.
    get in the line.

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    you are posing a scenario from the movies and television which, to my knowledge, has never occured, and are using it as a general justification for torture. If a 24 type ticking time bomb situation really existed, don't you think a terrorist could hold out till the bomb went off? And that's the best justification you have.
    Of course I was.

    Because most of us will never EVER be in a position to make the call or have to hurt someone to save others lives.

    I used a simple example of how when it's personal, their views would change. Are you saying you'd let say your parents, wife, children die at the hands of terrorist if you ever found yourself in such a situation?

    Be honest here, you know you'd do what you needed to do to save them.

    Why is it okay to save your family, but not okay to save others?


    And that's what the point was being drawn too. You went off on "that's an unreal situation!" because you wont' answer the question.

    Bad for the government to save lives through waterboarding.

    Okay for you to break a kneecap to save your family.

    Gotta love it.
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