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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Is this what the left calls getting SCHOOLED? What a bunch of horse****. O'Reilly got no where near being SCHOOLED. A SOF officer, that apparently knew a little in this area. He had an opinion just like anyone else. He schooled no one. He gave the left's talking points, that's about all. I know SOF personnel, that are still in the military....not working at Cato. Don't think this guys opinion speaks for all SOF personnel.
    I didn't think anyone was getting schooled really and where good questions.
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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Well I just googled it and apparently it's not even proven the Chinese ever used it. Mythbusters didn't think it had very untoward effects.

    While it sounds horribly ominous it sounds pretty tame and lame.
    The Chinese typically preferred the Jet Plane position. This was utilized during the Cultural Revolution extensively.

    The "handcuffed airplane" torture -- The victim is forced to stand with both legs straight, head bent down until the face is pointing to the ground, while the arms are pulled back until they are straight and the fingers are pointing to the sky. Handcuffs are used to fasten the hands together and to make it possible to hang the victim up in this position. After a little while, the victim suffers from dizziness, weak legs, sore arms, rapid breathing and heavy sweating.

    Victims at times would be kept in this position for days on end. However, since it left no visible signs of torture afterwards, Mao stated that it was not torture.
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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    “Both KSM and Zubaydah had ‘expressed their belief that the general US population was ‘weak,’ lacked resilience, and would be unable to ‘do what was necessary’ to prevent the terrorists from succeeding in their goals.’ Indeed, before the CIA used enhanced techniques in its interrogation of KSM, KSM resisted giving any answers to questions about future attacks, simply noting, ‘Soon you will know.’”

    After he was subjected to the “waterboard” technique, KSM became cooperative, providing intelligence that led to the capture of key al Qaeda allies and, eventually, the closing down of an East Asian terrorist cell that had been tasked with carrying out the 9/11-style attack on Los Angeles."


    CNSNews.com - CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles



    The irony is monolithic reading this thread.


    They were laughing at the "accepted" interrogation techniques all the way up until the waterboard came out.

    Then it was an impromtu "middle east idol" contest.
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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Did anybody bring up that we waterboard many of our own soldiers as part of training them to deal with interrogation?

    Buddies of mine have told me of being waterboarded in advanced training in the service. They said it was virtually impossible not to comply with whatever was being asked of them, but that it did them no lasting harm.

    If we do it to our own soldiers to toughen them up and prepare them for the worst, I have no problem with doing it to known terrorists if we reasonably believe doing so may prevent an attack.

    There's apparently a world of difference between waterboarding, and traditional "torture" such as splinting the fingernails, cutting off body parts, etc.

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    Did anybody bring up that, after WWII, we prosecuted and sentenced Japanese officers to prison and hard labor for doing exactly the same thing?
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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Did anybody bring up that, after WWII, we prosecuted and sentenced Japanese officers to prison and hard labor for doing exactly the same thing?
    Exacty what tragic attack did the japanese officer prevent?
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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    CNSNews.com - CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles

    I guess this settles the debate on whether or not waterboarding works. Saved lives, caught terrorist. Good thing really.
    It is amazing to watch people try to deny the fact torture/coercive methods work.

    I find it amazing they believe we do it as regular business... we don't... and I don't consider waterboarding torture.

    Torture works, and works well when you have a little info and can leverage it to get more.
    It works as a stand alone method when time is of import.

    It shouldn't be taken off the table, as the mere threat of it, and playing to it is a psychological weapon. That weapon is lost when a president reveals tactics in a greater strategy.

    I guess good-cop/bad-cop is next on the way out.

    Then there is Obama and his team scrubbing the truth out of documents for public consumption:

    Obama muddles torture message - Josh Gerstein and Mike Allen - POLITICO.com
    In the most recent instance, Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair acknowledged in a memo to the intelligence community that Bush-era interrogation practices yielded had "high-value information,” then omitted that admission from a public version of his assessment.

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Evidence is mounting that not only did we not obtain useful information from waterboarding, but that the intention of the waterboarding was to obtain false information. Apparently Cheney and Rumsfeld were so desparate for an excuse to invade Iraq that as early as December 2002 they began efforts to enlist members of the military's SERE unit, not to protect against torture, but to inflict it. Some members of this elite unit actually left the service and became private contractors, selling torture services to the CIA.

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    What, no ticking time bomb scenarios?

    why bother, its a real question, that people like you cut and run from.

    No mushroom cloud fear mongering?
    meh i don't think our next threat is nuclear.


    No mention of how your God, Ronald Reagon, tucked tail and ran immediately after our marines were blown to hell in Lebanon?

    or when clinton tucked tail and ran in somalia?




    You're so happy asking everyone who thinks you're nutso "what rights we lost", answer me this riddle batbrain. What attack did any of that torturing prevent? I'll hold "your" head under water awaiting your reply since that won't cause you any pain or discomfort thus, is not technically torture.

    wow insults and obfuscation all in one post/ :lo:
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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    It is amazing to watch people try to deny the fact torture/coercive methods work.
    Obviously it makes people "talk". But, expert after expert agree that anything resulted from torture is not dependable. One of Bush's excuses to invade Iraq was info gotten from one man from torture. And it was found to be wrong. Just like every single one of all his BS reasons to invade a country that didn't do anything to us.
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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    why bother, its a real question, that people like you cut and run from.
    That is not a real question.

    As far as your point that you were waterboarded during training. That was to educate you what the enemy did and to give you a head's up as far as enduring it. You had no fear it would go too far. Torture is meant to extract information. They are two very different experiences.
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