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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Attacks on American Soil from after the 1993 WTC to September 10th 2001? 0.

    I guess it'd have been accurate then to say on September 10th, 2001 unquestioningly that ALL of Clinton's policies worked perfectly.

    That's my issue. THIS IS NOT PROOF.

    CORRELATION DOES NOT PROVE CAUSATIOn.

    Just because we have not been attacked in our borders yet DOES NOT MEAN unquestionably Bush's policies are the reason for it. That doesn't PROVE anything. Its idiotic, illogical, and politically lazy to try and claim that THAT is the proof for your statement because on September 10th 2001 you could say the EXACT SAME THING about the Policies you're LAMBASTING.
    WRONG.

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    How about on American State soil? The only terrorist attack then was domestic, which was Oklahoma City.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Because we're not animals. We know and can do better, and thus we should. There's a lot of value in the higher moral ground. I'd rather not jump off.
    Except you have not established that yours is the higher moral ground.

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Because we're not animals. We know and can do better, and thus we should. There's a lot of value in the higher moral ground. I'd rather not jump off.
    How are we not more moral now than we've ever ever been even with waterboarding?

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Except you have not established that yours is the higher moral ground.
    It is though, for mine takes into account sanctity of human life as well. We're able to understand and accept and forgive. Terrorists aren't in that regime. Their hatred has blinded them to reality, and prevents logical thought about the subject. We can see with eyes unclouded by hate, and act accordingly. We don't have to torture and we don't have to kill and we can show mercy because we are the betters. It doesn't take a lot to hate, but it takes a **** load of mercy to forgive. And to forgive is what it's all about, Jesus should have taught you that.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    How are we not more moral now than we've ever ever been even with waterboarding?
    Torture takes you down a couple of pegs on the moral board.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It is though, for mine takes into account sanctity of human life as well. We're able to understand and accept and forgive. Terrorists aren't in that regime. Their hatred has blinded them to reality, and prevents logical thought about the subject. We can see with eyes unclouded by hate, and act accordingly. We don't have to torture and we don't have to kill and we can show mercy because we are the betters. It doesn't take a lot to hate, but it takes a **** load of mercy to forgive. And to forgive is what it's all about, Jesus should have taught you that.
    1. I never claimed to be Christian.

    2. Your position does not take into account the sanctity of all life, merely that of the terrorist.

    3. You have not established that your view is "reality" as opposed to the terrorist's. What if yours is not the reality?

    4. You are wrong about hatred and about forgiveness. Forgiveness is generally the easier task.

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Torture takes you down a couple of pegs on the moral board.
    Again...HOW????

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Torture takes you down a couple of pegs on the moral board.
    I would think that war in general does that. When strangers from different lands start killing one another the water poured on the head seems relatively benign in comparison.

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    Re: CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style A

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Again...HOW????
    Torture is the domain of despots, terrorists, gangsters, loansharks, not civilized people.

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