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A kiss is just a kiss — well, not this one

celticlord said:
That does not make the "spoon" real, no more than it makes "race" real.

The lie is that race even exists. It doesn't.
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Race does exist. There are distinct physical differences between a black men and white men or Asian men. Now, more currently race is fading away with decades of multi-racial children but that doesn't change the fact that distinct races are not extinct.

My opinion is race should be accepted as no different then someone having different color hair, or taller vs shorter.
 
Not to spoil any fun but, this has 4chan's hand written all over it.

shoop woop.
 
celticlord said:
That does not make the "spoon" real, no more than it makes "race" real.

The lie is that race even exists. It doesn't.
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While I agree with you that race is a biological fallacy, society does recognize different races, and that is what matters in this kind of situation.
 
Gibberish said:
Race does exist. There are distinct physical differences between a black men and white men or Asian men. Now, more currently race is fading away with decades of multi-racial children but that doesn't change the fact that distinct races are not extinct.

My opinion is race should be accepted as no different then someone having different color hair, or taller vs shorter.
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Race does not biologically exist for two main reasons:

1) Human characteristics are clinal. Reces are defined as discrete groups and if charecterisitcs are clinal the the definition is not satisfied.

2) Using skin color, nose shape, hair texture etc. to group people is completly arbitrary. One could take other traits such as antimalarial genes, fingerprints, etc. and come up with much different groups.
 
Frank Talk said:
While I agree with you that race is a biological fallacy, society does recognize different races, and that is what matters in this kind of situation.
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What matters is that society needs to pull its collective head out of its collective ass and drop the collective BS about race.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
Seriously, who even cares about this anymore? What the Hell is wrong with people?
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Many live in ignorance and fear...
Many have low IQs...
Then these people marry and have children who are bought up in ignorance and fear again...but a little less...thank Goodness.
Civilization will come to us, slowly but surely..
 
Frank Talk said:
Race does not biologically exist for two main reasons:

1) Human characteristics are clinal. Reces are defined as discrete groups and if charecterisitcs are clinal the the definition is not satisfied.
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Race is a physicial trait, not

2) Using skin color, nose shape, hair texture etc. to group people is completly arbitrary. One could take other traits such as antimalarial genes, fingerprints, etc. and come up with much different groups.[/QUOTE]

That's all great. But no matter your technical and philosophical stance, races exist to the majority of the world's population.
 
celticlord said:
A bit before my time, but weren't there signs to make sure folks used the right ones?
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But how did they know which group they belonged to?
 
As a member of an interacial relationship of 30 years all i can say is people need to get over their backward, inbred, ignorant, intolerant ways.

btw my wife and I just celebrated are thirtieth anniversary. :kissy:
 
celticlord said:
Do you not see the problem with what you're saying?
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Race exists. Race is defined on physical traits. Your philosophical argument of Race not existing because we all have noses and all have hair is pointless as the majority of the world recognizes Race.

No, I don't see the problem.
 
celticlord said:
That race is an illusion, at best a quaint fiction and at worst a vicious lie.
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"Race"


–noun
1. a group of persons related by common descent or heredity.
2. a population so related.
3. Anthropology.
a. any of the traditional divisions of humankind, the commonest being the Caucasian, Mongoloid, and Negro, characterized by supposedly distinctive and universal physical characteristics: no longer in technical use.
b. an arbitrary classification of modern humans, sometimes, esp. formerly, based on any or a combination of various physical characteristics, as skin color, facial form, or eye shape, and now frequently based on such genetic markers as blood groups.
c. a human population partially isolated reproductively from other populations, whose members share a greater degree of physical and genetic similarity with one another than with other humans.
4. a group of tribes or peoples forming an ethnic stock: the Slavic race.
5. any people united by common history, language, cultural traits, etc.: the Dutch race.


I agree with you that while racism still exists pretending that it doesn't is silly. It exists much in the way that breeds of animals are told apart. If I describe 2 dogs I wouldn't list their attributes, but rather their breed name. Granted there are far more "races" of dogs, but the ideas are similar.

I think that people making a big deal out of it existing is like protecting everyone by being politically incorrect. Toughen up and deal with the fact that everyone is different and that isn't a bad thing in and of itself.
 
Gibberish said:
Race exists. Race is defined on physical traits. Your philosophical argument of Race not existing because we all have noses and all have hair is pointless as the majority of the world recognizes Race.

No, I don't see the problem.
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Probably because you are the problem.
 
Gibberish said:
Everyone will see something before the other but also believe none of the items should stop the couple from being together if they choose.

I would see it just as wrong if someone brought up their upbringing or income levels in place of their race as reasons for them to not be together. Snobbery is more rampant then racism and is sadly widely accepted.
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Don't get me wrong. I know it's a bad thing that I see classism as problematic. It's just wrong. And I know it.

I'm just saying that I see it much quicker than I see race. If I could let go of that, I would be truly "evolved". But I can't. Tried. Doesn't work. At least for me.
 
don'ttreadonme said:
Why is what a bunch of yahoos has to say (anonymously) at a newspaper site more telling than this couple of 2.5 years never noticing this kind of disapproval before? Now the story is that St. Louis is such a racist city but they never felt that kind of "racism" before?

I think just as many black people are against inter-racial relationships as whites are, too. Black women seem to get really pissed off when black guys go for white girls. (See: Waiting to Exhale :mrgreen: )

To me personally, interracial relationships are a non-issue, too.
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Yahooo? Wasn't this St Louis? Anyway, interacial kissing could be a problem for me....like if I saw Hatuey and IT kissing, I might get sick. :mrgreen:
 
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American said:
Yahooo? Wasn't this St Louis? Anyway, interacial kissing could be a problem for me....like if I saw Hatuey and IT kissing, I might get sick. :mrgreen:
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Don't worry, we are always very discreet. :mrgreen:
 
That does not make the "spoon" real, no more than it makes "race" real.

The lie is that race even exists. It doesn't.
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While race has no biological basis, it certainly does exist as a social construct. As a social construct, it has had real effects on people's lives. To say that race does not exist at all is to deny the victims of racist oppression a means of defending themselves or fighting back.

You can't fight racism by saying it doesn't exist.

Race does exist. There are distinct physical differences between a black men and white men or Asian men.
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No there aren't. There are physical characteristics that gradually change geographically, but that does not prove that there are physical differences between "black" men and "white" or "asian" men. In fact, these categories that you are referring to are undefinable because of that very reasoning.

How did people know which water fountains and restrooms to use in the 60's.
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The government issues your race.

Race exists. Race is defined on physical traits.
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But you couldn't tell us any more specifically than that. What physical traits, for example, define "black"? You couldn't tell us because it's completely arbitrary and even if you gave us one answer someone else would give us another. And then a scientist would come along and say that you're all wrong, because you are.
 
I would have to say I doubt all those racists are on that site in the first place. One racist probably came in and made an ignorant comment, another person took the bait, and then other people just started to flame the fires and write a bunch of stupid ****. It's the internet after all. Reading comments left by people regarding news is entertainment in it's own right.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
No there aren't. There are physical characteristics that gradually change geographically, but that does not prove that there are physical differences between "black" men and "white" or "asian" men. In fact, these categories that you are referring to are undefinable because of that very reasoning.

The government issues your race.
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So people weren't attacked on their physical traits and skin color? When someone tried to enter a bathroom they were asked for a government ID card designating their race because people couldn't tell race by looking at each other since physical differences between races don't actually exist?


Khayembii Communique said:
But you couldn't tell us any more specifically than that. What physical traits, for example, define "black"? You couldn't tell us because it's completely arbitrary and even if you gave us one answer someone else would give us another. And then a scientist would come along and say that you're all wrong, because you are.
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So there are no physical differences between the two below individuals that is noticeable to everyone?

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Race exists. You can make an argument it doesn't exist from a natural level, but from a societal level its impossible to argue that it doesn't exist. Racists and non-racists alike, the majority of people if you showed them that picture and said "are these two people racially different" would say "yes".

The Social construct of "Race" IS real, no matter how much you want to put fingers in your ears and go "lalalalala, no its not". Whether there is a natural distinction of "race" is a legitimate argument. Whether it SHOULD be a social construct is a legitimate argument. However, to deny Race as even existing as a social construct is absolutely foolish.
 
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