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    Research on Lesser-Known Nazi Sites Is Now Public

    Today's edition of The New York Times reported that information from lesser-known Nazi sites has now been made publicly available.

    Holocaust deniers aside, the world is not ignorant of the systematic Nazi slaughter of some six million Jews in World War II. People know of the gas chambers in Auschwitz and Bergen-Belsen; many have heard of the tens of thousands shot dead in the Ukrainian ravine of Babi Yar. But little has been known about the hundreds — perhaps thousands — of smaller killing fields across the former Soviet Union where some 1.5 million Jews met their deaths.

    That is now changing. Over the past few years, the Yad Vashem Holocaust museum and research center in Israel has been investigating those sites, comparing Soviet, German, local and Jewish accounts, cross-checking numbers and methods. The work, gathered under the title “The Untold Stories,” is far from over. But to honor Holocaust Remembrance Day, which starts Monday evening, the research is being made public on the institution’s Web site.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/20/wo...holocaust.html

    The website's url can be found at: The Untold Stories. The Murder Sites of the Jews in the Occupied Territories of the Former USSR

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    Ask why?

    Remembering Ukraine's Uknown Holocaust
    Millions of victims

    Six million other farmers across the USSR were starved or shot during collectivization. Stalin told Winston Churchill he liquidated 10 million peasants during the 1930s. Add mass executions by the Cheka in Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania; the genocide of three million Muslims in the USSR; massacres of Cossacks and Volga Germans and Soviet industrial genocide accounted for at least 40 million victims, not including 20 million war dead.

    Kaganovitch and many senior OGPU officers (later, NKVD) were Jewish. The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders, and the frightful crimes and cruelty inflicted by Stalin's Cheka on Ukraine, the Baltic states and Poland, led the victims of Red Terror to blame the Jewish people for both communism and their suffering. As a direct result, during the subsequent Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe, the region's innocent Jews became the target of ferocious revenge by Ukrainians, Balts and Poles.

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    Re: Research on Lesser-Known Nazi Sites Is Now Public

    Priest uncovers ‘Holocaust by Bullets’
    Book includes details of previously unknown mass exterminations

    KIEV, Ukraine - The Holocaust has a landscape engraved in the mind's eye: barbed-wire fences, gas chambers, furnaces. Less known is the "Holocaust by Bullets," in which over 2 million Jews were gunned down in towns and villages across Ukraine, Belarus and Russia. Their part in the Nazis' Final Solution has been under researched, their bodies left unidentified in unmarked mass graves.

    "Shoah," French filmmaker Claude Lanzmann's documentary, stands as the 20th century's epic visual record of the Holocaust. Now another Frenchman, a Catholic priest named Patrick Desbois, is filling in a different part of the picture. Desbois devotes his 233-page book, published by Palgrave Macmillan in August, to his work in Ukraine, where he says he has uncovered over 800 mass extermination sites, more than two-thirds of them previously unknown.

    Desbois says he has interviewed more than 800 eyewitnesses and pinpointed hundreds of mass graves strewn around dusty fields in the former Soviet Union. Brought to Ukraine by a twist of fate, Desbois has spent seven years trying to document the truth, honor the dead, relieve witnesses of their pain and guilt and prevent future acts of genocide.

    Some 1.4 million of Soviet Ukraine's 2.4 million Jews were executed, starved to death or died of disease during the war. Another 550,000 to 650,000 Soviet Jews were killed in Belarus and up to 140,000 in Russia, according to the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum. Most of the victims were women, children and the elderly.

    Desbois' interviews and grave-hunting tie in to millions of pages of Soviet archives, heightening their credibility, says Paul Shapiro of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, who wrote the foreword to Desbois' book.

    Father Desbois' work is also having an impact on efforts to preserve Holocaust sites. In December, the 26-nation International Task Force on the Holocaust called on European governments to ensure the protection of locations such as the mass graves Desbois is uncovering, according to Shapiro, who helped draft the resolution.
    Source: msnbc.com

    I've read father Desbois' book and highly recommend it.

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    Re: Ask why?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blunt View Post
    And yet, it's cool and trendy to wear a hammer and sickle.
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    Re: Research on Lesser-Known Nazi Sites Is Now Public

    And yet, it's cool and trendy to wear a hammer and sickle.
    I'd recommend it.

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    Re: Research on Lesser-Known Nazi Sites Is Now Public

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    I'd recommend it.
    If you enjoy wearing the symbol of people who murdered 100 million of their own people, sure.
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    Re: Research on Lesser-Known Nazi Sites Is Now Public

    If you enjoy wearing the symbol of people who murdered 100 million of their own people, sure.
    Not even the infamous Black Book goes that high, so congratulations! You've just made an ass out of yourself.

    Oh and by the way, I'm a Trotskyist. That probably doesn't mean anything to you, though. Communists = Stalin worshippers, right?

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    Re: Research on Lesser-Known Nazi Sites Is Now Public

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Not even the infamous Black Book goes that high, so congratulations! You've just made an ass out of yourself.
    Stalin, 30-40 million. Mao, 50 million. Pol Pot, 3-4 million. Gosh, I rounded up. Sue me. Those 6-16 million make all the difference in the world. (Not counting all the other miscellaneous Communist tinpots.)

    Oh and by the way, I'm a Trotskyist.
    You didn't specify when you said you'd wear the symbol proudly, and it doesn't matter anyway.

    That probably doesn't mean anything to you, though. Communists = Stalin worshippers, right?
    It's funny how you can accuse someone of making unfair leaps in the same post when you made two yourself.

    Communist = a set of regimes, all of which were brutal totalitarian dictatorships and who murdered (about!) 100 million of their own people.

    Which makes them the most prolific butchers of all time.
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    Re: Research on Lesser-Known Nazi Sites Is Now Public

    It's funny how you can accuse someone of making unfair leaps in the same post when you made two yourself.

    Communist = a set of regimes, all of which were brutal totalitarian dictatorships and who murdered (about!) 100 million of their own people.
    Lulz.

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    Re: Research on Lesser-Known Nazi Sites Is Now Public

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Lulz.
    As they say . . . not just a river in Egypt.
    “Offing those rich pigs with their own forks and knives, and then eating a meal in the same room, far out! The Weathermen dig Charles Manson.”-- Bernadine Dohrn

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