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    Re: Iran accuses journalist of spying

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I know I'm probably going to get lambasted, but how do we know she wasn't a spy? I mean, we DO spy on other countries and Iran is definitely one of those countries. She's the perfect candidate to conduct clandestine operations for the intelligence community; dual citizen, background in journalism/photography, female. Sometimes spies get caught.

    I'm just saying...
    Good point.

    Maybe the reason the U.S. is making such a fuss is because she is a spy.

    Of course, most spies are disavowed (not acknowledged) when they are discovered.

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    Re: US 'deeply disappointed' as Iran convicts reporter

    Quote Originally Posted by creativedreams View Post
    Hate to say it but, because she was on their soil illegaly I don't believe there is anything we can do.

    If our leaders raised a really big public outcry over this then they set themselves up for a really big embarrassment over the outcome which is completely and legally in Iran's control.
    She's a dual citizen. She is NOT illegal.

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    Re: Iran accuses journalist of spying

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Good point.

    Maybe the reason the U.S. is making such a fuss is because she is a spy.

    Of course, most spies are disavowed (not acknowledged) when they are discovered.
    Precisely. Standard operating procedure for the government is to disavow any association and affirm the cover-story. Either way, I have no desire to see her fate decided by the Iranian "justice" system, but that is the price you pay for either:

    a. Being a spy.

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    b. Going to Iran.

    Americans, even dual citizens, should not go to Iran, and it would be a shame if this situation derailed President Obama's diplomatic efforts in the region. Not that I'm very supportive of the means he chooses to employ but I can empathize with the ends he seeks, and I also believe a President should fail not by mere virtue of happenstance but of their own volition.

    Having said that, I feel it is appropriate for President Obama to take somewhat of a middle position in regards to this woman's imprisonment. Yes, he should voice his disapproval but only to a certain degree. Why should we sacrifice an entire political agenda for a person who, at the very least, was careless or, at the very worst, really was a spy? Diplomatic relations with Iran effect the entire world and this woman's safety is not sufficient cause disrupt the President's international agenda. Tragic, yes. Unfair, no.

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    Re: Iran accuses journalist of spying

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Precisely. Standard operating procedure for the government is to disavow any association and affirm the cover-story. Either way, I have no desire to see her fate decided by the Iranian "justice" system, but that is the price you pay for either:

    a. Being a spy.

    or

    b. Going to Iran.

    Americans, even dual citizens, should not go to Iran, and it would be a shame if this situation derailed President Obama's diplomatic efforts in the region. Not that I'm very supportive of the means he chooses to employ but I can empathize with the ends he seeks, and I also believe a President should fail not by mere virtue of happenstance but of their own volition.

    Having said that, I feel it is appropriate for President Obama to take somewhat of a middle position in regards to this woman's imprisonment. Yes, he should voice his disapproval but only to a certain degree. Why should we sacrifice an entire political agenda for a person who, at the very least, was careless or, at the very worst, really was a spy? Diplomatic relations with Iran effect the entire world and this woman's safety is not sufficient cause disrupt the President's international agenda. Tragic, yes. Unfair, no.
    True.

    Very sad.... but true.

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    Re: US 'deeply disappointed' as Iran convicts reporter

    You know this is disturbing, and I tend not to trust anything coming out of Iran's government to be even remotely truthful until it's been corroborated by some other source of information. I am worried about this woman's future.

    Here is my take on this. I understand the argument that she may actually be a spy, and I understand the argument that she may have been there without the permission of the Iranian government (which I think is wrong, the issue I believe is she was "working without press credentials"). But even if she was a spy for the U.S., even if she was somehow fomenting dissent among Iranians...she's still an American. And if she was in fact a spy, she was doing her duty. If she was in fact fomenting dissent among Iranians, then God bless her even more.

    Would any here argue that the Velvet Revolution in Europe was a bad thing? Did anyone have any issue with the Solidarity movement in Poland? How about the Prague Spring? It been long established that we covertly supported these movements and that we were just in doing so.

    So I guess my question is this: Spy or not, why would we not do everything in our power (short of a full scale shooting war I suppose) to bring this woman home?
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: US 'deeply disappointed' as Iran convicts reporter

    Has Hillary written a letter to the UN yet?
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