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    Re: Israel stands ready to bomb Iran's nuclear sites

    I doubt most Palestinians would mind if parts of Israel got nuked.

    I am sure that would change when they figure out that water and power no longer work.
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    Re: Israel stands ready to bomb Iran's nuclear sites

    Quote Originally Posted by bilbus View Post
    I doubt most Palestinians would mind if parts of Israel got nuked.

    I am sure that would change when they figure out that water and power no longer work.
    They'd probably blame that on Israel and the US as well....

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    Re: Israel stands ready to bomb Iran's nuclear sites

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    No, I am not. I'm quite convinced they won't give up such control. Of course, with the terrorists they have on payroll, they don't need to.
    So you're saying that Iran will put its own troops out for the attack?

    However, stop calling them rational folk. Nations that sponsor terrorists are not rational folk.
    So every nation is not rational? You do realize that the US under Reagan sponsored some of the worst terrorism the US committed. Are you going to say that the US under Reagan wasn't rational?

    Do you know any crazy people that run cost vs benefit analysis?

    And terrorism in their case is actually quite rational. The distance between Iran, Israel and US rules out conventional warfare not to mention the distinct advantages both Israel and US have over it. A conventional war is suicidal. Therefore, they rely upon asymmetrical warfare. It was rational for the US to fund, train and arm the Mujadheem back in the 80s since a direct hot conflict between US and Soviet forces was not acceptable. Asymmetrical warfare is merely a tool in conflict. People who use it are inherently neither, what defines their rationality is how they go about using it and for what means.

    No, I'm implying that they might gift a small nuke or two to Hezbollah to put on a cargo ship bound for Tel Aviv.
    Then you have lied. You stated Iran would not give up control of its weapons. But you NOW within the SAME post say they would give the weapon to a group they cannot control. You just stated that Iran would do what no country in history has ever done: give up control of weapons of mass destruction.

    And by your silence, you admit that Iran will do a 180 on its long term stances to stay in power and stay alive. Care to name a single regime in history that has suddenly sacrificed itself by its own choice without provocation after years of trying to stay in power?

    Iran doesn't give a rat's ass about the Palestinians. They use the Palestinian suicide bombers and terrorists to grind on the Israelis by proxy. They've already killed more than a million Palestinians by funding and fomenting the Palestinian conflict with the Israelis, why would they care about another million now?
    PR. Directly killing those you use to morally beat on your enemy with directly destroys any credibility you have. Muslims nuking Muslims is completely unheard of. It took us huge amounts of effort to get Syria in on the Desert storm. Thinking that a Muslim nation will without thought nuke what amounts to another Muslim nation (fallout anyone?) is rather short sighted. Iran likes to say it is the protector of Islam. Deliberately murdering a million fellow Muslims not to mention millions more from fallout and decimating their chances to return to their land does nothing to help Iran's cause. And if they really hated Jews, they would have exterminated those living within Iran already instead of letting them expand not to mention letting them have a nominal state in their assembly.

    Iran uses Israel as an excuse for its own failures. The booming economy of the 90s provided legitimacy for the government it never had before. And threats to Israel all but ceased. What happens a year into the current administration when their economy bombs? Blame the outside aggressor. Classic political unity. Textbook case.

    BTW, Tel Aviv, which is a much more likely target for a nuke, is not at sacred to Islam.
    But Jerusalem is and likely would be affected.
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    Re: Israel stands ready to bomb Iran's nuclear sites

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Then you have lied.
    I bet it felt really good to put those in bold. Did you enjoy scoring the major hit?

    So which will thrill you more, a mushroom cloud over Tel Aviv, or a mushroom cloud over Baghdad?

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    Re: Israel stands ready to bomb Iran's nuclear sites

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    I bet it felt really good to put those in bold. Did you enjoy scoring the major hit?
    What is more enjoyable is watching you try to produce an argument. Rather amusing after all. Enjoying the taste of fail?

    So which will thrill you more, a mushroom cloud over Tel Aviv, or a mushroom cloud over Baghdad?
    Neither. Iran should not be allowed to have nuclear weapons. But that does not change the fact that Iran alone with a weapon is nowhere near as dangerous as the entire Middle East full of nukes. One cannot call themselves rational if they disagree with that.

    What's more dangerous, Iran with a nuke or every middle eastern country with a nuke?

    lol.
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    Re: Israel stands ready to bomb Iran's nuclear sites

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    What's more dangerous
    Children with keyboards....that should be obvious.

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    Re: Israel stands ready to bomb Iran's nuclear sites

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    I bet it felt really good to put those in bold. Did you enjoy scoring the major hit?

    So which will thrill you more, a mushroom cloud over Tel Aviv, or a mushroom cloud over Baghdad?

    I think we have all heard enough from your crowd about mushroom clouds. You are just pigheaded enough to force a situation in which terrorists actually obtain a nuclear device from a sympathetic nation and use it against a major American city.

    We are long past the day when America could prevent other nations from building their own nuclear devices. To pretend otherwise is stupid and dangerous. We will not prevent nuclear terrorism by military action against Iran or anyone else. As for Israel, they can defend themselves perfectly well, thank you, and don't need the rhetoric of a "mushroom cloud over Jerusalem" to justify America starting another war.

    The wars begun by the Bush administration have already made us less safe, what we need to do now is try to mend relations with the Moslem world, and prevent mushroom clouds through intelligence and diplomacy, not more Bush-era redneck threats.

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    Re: Israel stands ready to bomb Iran's nuclear sites

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    I imagine it would be much like the calls that went back and forth before the invasion of Iraq.

    Israel has to protect itself at all costs.

    But this time we might choose to allow Israel to defend itself so that we could be the "good guy".
    Interesting that some people's idea of defence, those who roundly pronouce they don't believe in aggressive and interventionist foreign policy very often, seems to include attacking those who aren't attacking you when the evidence they are going to is very little.
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    Re: Israel stands ready to bomb Iran's nuclear sites

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord

    I bet it felt really good to put those in bold. Did you enjoy scoring the major hit?

    So which will thrill you more, a mushroom cloud over Tel Aviv, or a mushroom cloud over Baghdad?
    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post

    I think we have all heard enough from your crowd about mushroom clouds. You are just pigheaded enough to force a situation in which terrorists actually obtain a nuclear device from a sympathetic nation and use it against a major American city.
    Damn you celticlord! Just damn you, your pigheadedness is going to get us all killed!
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    Re: Israel stands ready to bomb Iran's nuclear sites

    The UN's nuclear watchdog reported today that Iran had managed to enrich a metric tonne of low enriched uranium (LEU), which UN officials say is technically enough to build a nuclear weapon.

    UN officials cautioned that there remained many practical obstacles to the production of a bomb, and pointed out that the uranium was under close surveillance,
    Low Enriched Uranium is not weapons-grade and cannot be used in a nuclear weapon. Further enrichment is required, which requires considerably more effort and is much more noticeable. Based on this fact, and the fact that the IAEA is fully aware of every aspect of Iran's nuclear program and monitors everything, it is simply more supportive of the fact that Iran has no nuclear weapons program.

    However, stop calling them rational folk. Nations that sponsor terrorists are not rational folk.
    Most nations with expansionist/imperialist ambitions sponsor terrorist groups.

    *The support of the Mujahideen during the Afghan-Soviet war.
    *The arming of Afghan and Iraqi Sunni groups that are hostile to the US and whose weapons probably ended up being fired at American troops more so than Shi'ia Militias.
    *Iran-Contra
    *The toppling of democratically elected governments to replace them with repressive regimes that sponsor terror.

    That's a one-minute list for you.

    No, I'm implying that they might gift a small nuke or two to Hezbollah to put on a cargo ship bound for Tel Aviv.
    That would be suicide. The nuclear weapon would immediately be tracked back to them. Moreover, they would lose nearly all of their allies and influence in the Middle East due to the effect of a nuclear blast in Israel. The fallout would spread over Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and Saudi Arabia. It would make absolutely zero sense to do so.

    I am sure that would change when they figure out that water and power no longer work.
    I'm sure the Palestinians in the West Bank wouldn't notice, then, as their utilities were destroyed by the Israelis, who targeted it with their bombs a few months back.

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