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    Re: Brown University Should Consider Name Change Due to Slave Ties, Critics Say

    Quote Originally Posted by don'ttreadonme View Post
    The problem is, though, that he doesn't speak for all Native Americans. You mentioned earlier your grandmother was proud to call herself an "Indian." My father-in-law is part Native American, too, and takes no offense at the term "Indian."

    It's like the African-American/black thing. Some people are offended when you call them one or the other so sometimes you just can't win.
    I don't think I ever said I did but I do speak for my family and my Native friends.
    Did you know some old blacks don't mind being called negro, isnt that short for nigger?

    But hell you said it yourself you cant please everyone......

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    Re: Brown University Should Consider Name Change Due to Slave Ties, Critics Say

    Quote Originally Posted by cherokee View Post
    I don't think I ever said I did but I do speak for my family and my Native friends.
    Did you know some old blacks don't mind being called negro, isnt that short for nigger?

    But hell you said it yourself you cant please everyone......
    You're the one who seems to get some kind of charge out of typing the n-word, dude.

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    Re: Brown University Should Consider Name Change Due to Slave Ties, Critics Say

    Quote Originally Posted by cherokee View Post
    I don't think I ever said I did but I do speak for my family and my Native friends.
    Did you know some old blacks don't mind being called negro, isnt that short for nigger?

    But hell you said it yourself you cant please everyone......
    Negro is actually the English translation from the Latin term meaning black. "nigger" actually came later.

    So most blacks I know don't care about Negro. In fact I live in Florida and here the word "negro" often when referring to the color itself in Spanish.

    Go figure.
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    Re: Brown University Should Consider Name Change Due to Slave Ties, Critics Say

    Quote Originally Posted by don'ttreadonme View Post
    You're the one who seems to get some kind of charge out of typing the n-word, dude.
    That was way out of line considering the context of his statement don't you think?
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    Re: Brown University Should Consider Name Change Due to Slave Ties, Critics Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    That was way out of line considering the context of his statement don't you think?
    How is it out of line? I think he's insinuating that people who use the term "Indians" are as racist as people who use the term "nigger."

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    Re: Brown University Should Consider Name Change Due to Slave Ties, Critics Say

    Quote Originally Posted by don'ttreadonme View Post
    How is it out of line? I think he's insinuating that people who use the term "Indians" are as racist as people who use the term "nigger."
    I didn't get that from it.

    I mean I still use the term "Indian" for native Americans and have never really had a problem. Take into account I am near the Seminole reservation and play paint ball on the same reservation with no problem.

    The term "nigger" is a specifically derogatory term. The term "Indian" is not, even if it is considered wrong.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Brown University Should Consider Name Change Due to Slave Ties, Critics Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I didn't get that from it.

    The term "nigger" is a specifically derogatory term. The term "Indian" is not, even if it is considered wrong.
    That's what I'm saying, too. lol

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    Re: Brown University Should Consider Name Change Due to Slave Ties, Critics Say

    Columbus was looking for India when he struck North America, which is why he called them Indians. Now that we have modern education, knowledge of basic geography and history, it's pretty simple to call them what they are: Native Americans. If you want to cling to the word "Indian", then it just makes you willingly ignorant... and yes, this includes Native Americans who call themselves Indians, because that is not accurate either. Most Native Americans know which First Nation they came from and will call themselves by that name accordingly.

    As for the school's name... changing the name won't change its history. It's just a bunch of PC garbage. To me this is an attempt at sweeping history under the rug, since if it doesn't go by that name anymore, then no one will google who the person was and his involvement in the slave trade. It's better to have open dialogue and admit the school's history... there are other ways to amend the past.

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    Re: Brown University Should Consider Name Change Due to Slave Ties, Critics Say

    Quote Originally Posted by don'ttreadonme View Post
    That's what I'm saying, too. lol
    I have no problem at all with what you are saying and agree.

    I just thought you had it worded a bit strong.
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    Re: Brown University Should Consider Name Change Due to Slave Ties, Critics Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Columbus was looking for India when he struck North America, which is why he called them Indians. Now that we have modern education, knowledge of basic geography and history, it's pretty simple to call them what they are: Native Americans. If you want to cling to the word "Indian", then it just makes you willingly ignorant... and yes, this includes Native Americans who call themselves Indians, because that is not accurate either. Most Native Americans know which First Nation they came from and will call themselves by that name accordingly.

    As for the school's name... changing the name won't change its history. It's just a bunch of PC garbage. To me this is an attempt at sweeping history under the rug, since if it doesn't go by that name anymore, then no one will google who the person was and his involvement in the slave trade. It's better to have open dialogue and admit the school's history... there are other ways to amend the past.
    Interesting.

    Calling someone "Indian" is willfully ignorant, but changing the schools name is PC?

    According to the dictionary you are just a little off base....

    In⋅di⋅an   /ˈɪndiən/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [in-dee-uhn] Show IPA
    –noun 1. Also called American Indian, Amerind, Amerindian, Native American. a member of the aboriginal people of America or of any of the aboriginal North or South American stocks, usually excluding the Eskimos.

    2. any of the indigenous languages of the American Indians. Abbreviation: Ind
    3. a member of any of the peoples native to or inhabiting India or the East Indies.
    4. a citizen of the Republic of India.
    5. Slang. a person who performs a required task or carries out the instructions of superiors: We have too many chiefs and not enough Indians.
    6. Astronomy. the constellation Indus.


    Looks like the willfully ignorant are in good company.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

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