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    Obama Backs Away From Assault Gun Ban in Push to Stop Flow to Mexico

    Obama Backs Away From Assault Gun Ban in Push to Stop Flow to Mexico.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thursday, April 16, 2009
    President Obama, after meeting Thursday with Mexico's president, signaled he is backing away from his pledge to renew the U.S. ban on assault weapons but still wishes to stop the cross-border flow of guns that wind up in the arsenals of drug cartels.

    The military-style assault weapon ban expired in 2004, and Obama faced an uphill political battle in winning a renewal of the law, which is unpopular in key political states and among Republicans and some conservative Democrats.

    Obama said Thursday he preferred to focus on enforcing existing laws to keep assault weapons out of Mexico, rather than trying to renew the U.S. ban on the weapons.
    I'm glad to see him walk away from this. This is good news for us. Obama has exhibited common sense and good judgement.
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: Obama Backs Away From Assault Gun Ban in Push to Stop Flow to Mexico

    Good. This may just be a political ploy, but the Dems would probably be wise to stop trying to push through their agenda too quickly unless they wish for another 1994.

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    Re: Obama Backs Away From Assault Gun Ban in Push to Stop Flow to Mexico

    I am glad to hear this. I've been working with the GOA and NRA to oppose this in every way possible. The AWB was an unnecessary and ineffective law to start with, as well as unConstitutional.

    No question that it is a politically motivated position... I think the Democrat party is learning: gun control is political poison. They started realizing that when they lost the House in 94, in part over the AWB.

    NOW, what I'm wondering is this:

    Calderon claims American "assault" weapons getting into Mexico are a problem.

    SecState Clinton says America's "unsatiable appetite for drugs" is fueling the drug cartels that are all but in civil war against Mexico's excuse-for-a-government.

    WHY is no one renewing calls for a real border fence and border security?

    But Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff has said a wall running the length of a border would cost too much. A 2,000 mile state-of-the-art border fence has been estimated to cost between four and eight billion dollars. Costs for a wall that would run the entire length of the border might be as low as $851 million for a standard 10-foot prison chain link fence topped by razor wire. For another $362 million, the fence could be electrified. A larger 12-foot tall, two-foot-thick concrete wall painted on both sides would run about $2 billion. Initially it was estimated that the San Diego fence would cost $14 million -- about $1 million a mile. The first 11 miles of the fence eventually cost $42 million -- $3.8 million per mile, and the last 3.5 miles may cost even more since they cover more difficult terrain. An additional $35 million to complete the final 3.5 miles was approved in 2005 by the Department of Homeland Security -- $10 million per mile.
    US-Mexico Border Fence / Great Wall of Mexico

    Eight billion dollars isn't too much for real border security. Our current budget is what, three trillion? 8 Billion would be only 0.2% of our budget. We sent ten billion to Africa in aid recently. I'd think border security would be worth at least that much, since it would theoretically aid both the USA (illegal immigration and cross-border drug smuggling), and Mexico (lost profits for the drug gangs = lost power, and the alleged gun smuggling problem). As a taxpayer I'd gladly shell out eight billion every year for border security...after all it is reasonably considered one of the enumerated powers (defense).

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    Re: Obama Backs Away From Assault Gun Ban in Push to Stop Flow to Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I'm glad to see him walk away from this. This is good news for us. Obama has exhibited common sense and good judgement.
    I'd say it has more to do with him not wanting to have a repeat of 1994.
    Gaining and retaining political power trumps all.

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    Re: Obama Backs Away From Assault Gun Ban in Push to Stop Flow to Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I'd say it has more to do with him not wanting to have a repeat of 1994.
    Gaining and retaining political power trumps all.
    Of course, like I said....good for us, he exhibited common sense and good judgment.
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: Obama Backs Away From Assault Gun Ban in Push to Stop Flow to Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I am glad to hear this. I've been working with the GOA and NRA to oppose this in every way possible. The AWB was an unnecessary and ineffective law to start with, as well as unConstitutional.

    No question that it is a politically motivated position... I think the Democrat party is learning: gun control is political poison. They started realizing that when they lost the House in 94, in part over the AWB.

    NOW, what I'm wondering is this:

    Calderon claims American "assault" weapons getting into Mexico are a problem.

    SecState Clinton says America's "unsatiable appetite for drugs" is fueling the drug cartels that are all but in civil war against Mexico's excuse-for-a-government.

    WHY is no one renewing calls for a real border fence and border security?



    US-Mexico Border Fence / Great Wall of Mexico

    Eight billion dollars isn't too much for real border security. Our current budget is what, three trillion? 8 Billion would be only 0.2% of our budget. We sent ten billion to Africa in aid recently. I'd think border security would be worth at least that much, since it would theoretically aid both the USA (illegal immigration and cross-border drug smuggling), and Mexico (lost profits for the drug gangs = lost power, and the alleged gun smuggling problem). As a taxpayer I'd gladly shell out eight billion every year for border security...after all it is reasonably considered one of the enumerated powers (defense).

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    But is it shovel-ready?
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    Re: Obama Backs Away From Assault Gun Ban in Push to Stop Flow to Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    But is it shovel-ready?
    Something tells me there are at least a dozen shovel ready proposals for a southern border security fence.

    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: Obama Backs Away From Assault Gun Ban in Push to Stop Flow to Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Obama Backs Away From Assault Gun Ban in Push to Stop Flow to Mexico.



    I'm glad to see him walk away from this. This is good news for us. Obama has exhibited common sense and good judgement.




    I agree. Good for Obama, the US Constitution, and us Rabble.
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    Re: Obama Backs Away From Assault Gun Ban in Push to Stop Flow to Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Something tells me there are at least a dozen shovel ready proposals for a southern border security fence.

    Well then **** YEA LETS GIT ER DONE!

    I'm calling it right now - come time for the next major debate over funding for a border fence, there will be a knock-down drag-out fight over whether there will be stringent ID requirements imposed on the laborers involved in building it.

    That just seems like the perfect storm of **** for the Dems and Reps to fight over.
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    Re: Obama Backs Away From Assault Gun Ban in Push to Stop Flow to Mexico

    Obama is a joke. He grandstands an issue he can't win.

    The real meat & potato's of the article is right here:

    "In order for Mexico to grow and prosper, Mexico needs the United States' investments, and the United States of America needs the strength of the Mexican labor force," Calderon said.

    Translation:

    We give Mexico more money to piss away, and we get more illegal immigrants to work for tax free slave wages, leech off our entitlement programs, and live without fear of being deported.

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