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And you are simply trying to refreame the argument. It's what you do when you are caught.You fail to recongize that the issue here is people doing what they think is right over their desire to maintain political power.
Thus, there's no relevance whatsoever.
It's not the motivation that is important, it's the outcome.
No, it's not all that matters. The original debate was the fact that Obama backing off the AWB was a "good thing." What doesn't matter is why he did it. You are simply trying to reframe the argument so you can criticize him in some way.See above. It doesnt matter one whit who else thinks staying the course or invading Iraq was the right thing to do -- GWB did, and given the issue at hand, that's all that matters.
No matter how many times you try to reframe this, it won't work.See above. It doesnt matter one whit who else thinks staying thr course or invating Iraq was the right thing to do -- GWB did, and given the issue at hand, that's all that matters.
And you are wrong again. What matters is what actually played out and whether or not it was actually a good thing for this nation. History is on my side with regard to this.YOUR opinion here as to why YOU think he did it doesnt matter; all that matters is that HE thought he was doing the right thing.
You started the argument regarding "doing the right thing despite the consequences." You cited GWB and I asked for an example of the "right thing." You said the most obvious was staying the course in Iraq. It wasn't until I pointed out that this wasn't even remotely the right thing to do that you changed your argument to say "what -he- thought was the right thing to do."You absolutely do NOT understand what is being argued.
-I- never stated that GWB did the right thing, or what GWB did was the right thing to do, I stated that -GWB- believed he was doing the right thing and that -he- thought what he did was the right thing to do.
You staked your claim and got called on it.Goobieman said:Some people believe in 'doing the right thing' regardless of the political consquences (see: GWB) and other people put 'doing the right thing' behind the retention of political power.
Lerxst said:Exactly what "right thing" are you talking about?Goobieman said:The most obvious was staying the course in Iraq.
Yeah I get, you waffled and tried to reframe the argument when you got busted. Fine.Get it yet?
More proof that you are doing your best to reframe the argument.More proof that you do NOT understand what is being argued.
I'm not defending ot attacking Bush's actions regarding anything.
I know what's being discussed, and I know what you are trying to do. I figured you out a long time ago Goobieman.When you figure out what's REALLY being discussed here, get back to me.