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    Re: Palin stands against abortion during Ind. speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Oh don't be silly. The issue of abortion is whether a fetus is a person, it is an entirely different issue to gun rights.
    I'm not the one who brought up the comparison. It was Rev, I was just responding to the comparison. I appreciate your attention to detail though.

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    Re: Palin stands against abortion during Ind. speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Pro-Abortion.


    You support her choice to get an abortion.


    I am pro gun.

    I support your RIGHT to own a gun.


    Pro-choice is like the way we use the word fetus. To dehumanize the act.


    If I was "pro-choice" and someone said to me I was "pro-abortion", I would say "yeah so"?


    The fact that you all have a problem with that term, to me, means that some little sliver inside you all, know its wrong. I call that. *Hope*.
    I agree with jallman's post, although I do not genuinely think you are intentionally being dishonest. Thanks for explaining your logic. But, come on....no one can describe me as being pro-abortion. I could never undergo one unless my health was at risk (and even then, I cannot be positive). I could never recommend a person to undergo one. Rather, I would let them know how much richer my life is for having had a child.
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    Re: Palin stands against abortion during Ind. speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I'm not the one who brought up the comparison. It was Rev, I was just responding to the comparison. I appreciate your attention to detail though.

    I know. I was responding to your response and your ideas on the comparison but whatever.
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    Re: Palin stands against abortion during Ind. speech

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    I agree with jallman's post, although I do not genuinely think you are intentionally being dishonest. Thanks for explaining your logic. But, come on....no one can describe me as being pro-abortion. I could never undergo one unless my health was at risk (and even then, I cannot be positive). I could never recommend a person to undergo one. Rather, I would let them know how much richer my life is for having had a child.


    How can one be "unintentionally" honest?


    I thanked you because I appreciate your post. I have my opinion on this, and it would be dishonest of me if I sugar coated it.


    I think pro-choice is an ambiguous term, and I think the argument that a "fetus" is somehow different than a human life, is what is dishonest, imo.
    You should try to remember, ideas are conveyed by researching information, vetting sources, and confirming said information. Not by regurgitating talking points given to you by your "news" station.
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    Re: Palin stands against abortion during Ind. speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    How can one be "unintentionally" honest?


    I thanked you because I appreciate your post. I have my opinion on this, and it would be dishonest of me if I sugar coated it.


    I think pro-choice is an ambiguous term, and I think the argument that a "fetus" is somehow different than a human life, is what is dishonest, imo.
    I think your rationale is dishonest in the sense that it isn't rational (MY opinion), but I don't think you have any sort of dishonesty in forming your opinion, if that makes sense. That's what I mean by unintentionally dishonest.

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    Re: Palin stands against abortion during Ind. speech

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    I think your rationale is dishonest in the sense that it isn't rational (MY opinion), but I don't think you have any sort of dishonesty in forming your opinion, if that makes sense. That's what I mean by unintentionally dishonest.



    I think that is a difference of opinion not dishonesty by either of us.


    Let me throw this out as well.


    "pro-life" is ambiguous as well. I just posted in another thread, how I support terrorists being killed. How can I call myself "pro-life" then?


    I think both sides have taken ambiguous words here now that I think about it.


    "pro-abortion" "anti-abortion" seems better to me. perhaps, "pro-abortion choice" or "anti-abortion choice" would be more apt.
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    Re: Palin stands against abortion during Ind. speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post

    "pro-life" is ambiguous as well. I just posted in another thread, how I support terrorists being killed. How can I call myself "pro-life" then?


    I think both sides have taken ambiguous words here now that I think about it.


    "pro-abortion" "anti-abortion" seems better to me. perhaps, "pro-abortion choice" or "anti-abortion choice" would be more apt.
    I don't think such semantic somersaults are necessary when you have two adults discussing a topic with dedication to honesty. When I say I am prochoice, you know exactly what that means and when you say you are prolife, I know exactly what you mean.

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    Re: Palin stands against abortion during Ind. speech

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I don't think such semantic somersaults are necessary when you have two adults discussing a topic with dedication to honesty. When I say I am prochoice, you know exactly what that means and when you say you are prolife, I know exactly what you mean.


    meh, that is the reality of it true. however i find the "pro-choice" label as inaccurate and prefer to call thing as I see em. that is all nothing more nothing less. I don't expect anyone to change. People should not expect me to either. After all to me, we are talking about killing a human life.
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    Re: Palin stands against abortion during Ind. speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I know. I was responding to your response and your ideas on the comparison but whatever.
    Well then let's keep things in context. We were talking about the semantic involved, not the core issues. Geesh.
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    Re: Palin stands against abortion during Ind. speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Well then let's keep things in context. We were talking about the semantic involved, not the core issues. Geesh.
    Yes but you allowed me to glimpse you view point, I didn't know it was off-limits. Jees
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