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    Re: Palin stands against abortion during Ind. speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Well there is the difference between you and I then. I view life as precious also, but it's not my place to get involved in a woman's decision regarding abortion unless the fetus in question is mine. If one of my daughters were pregnant and considering abortion I would certainly get involved and provide my input in the matter, but in the end it would be her choice. I may not agree with the choice, but it's hers. Not mine.

    The term "fetus" in my opinion is used to change the reality of the proceedure. That fetus, is a human life.

    There are valid reasons for abortion. It's up to the mother and the medical community to sort those issues out.

    Yes, mortal danger to the mother or cases of rape within the 1st 8 weeks, though I don't like it, I will compromise there.
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    Re: Palin stands against abortion during Ind. speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    If you do want abortion to be illegal, you are in my opinion "pro-abortion". This opinion is MY MY MY choice.
    That's not logical, but your response made me laugh.

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    Re: Palin stands against abortion during Ind. speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    The term "fetus" in my opinion is used to change the reality of the proceedure. That fetus, is a human life.
    Fetus is a medical term, I didn't make it up, and I don't think the medical science community had a pro-abortion strategy in mind when they adopted the terminology. That kind appeal to emotion doesn't sway my position. I'm not pro-abortion. I'm pro-it's the mothers body, it's the mothers decision to make. There is no blood on my hands should a woman decide that an abortion is necessary.
    Yes, mortal danger to the mother or cases of rape within the 1st 8 weeks, though I don't like it, I will compromise there.
    Yes, those are valid reasons.
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    Re: Palin stands against abortion during Ind. speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Fetus is a medical term, I didn't make it up, and I don't think the medical science community had a pro-abortion strategy in mind when they adopted the terminology. That kind appeal to emotion doesn't sway my position. I'm not pro-abortion. I'm pro-it's the mothers body, it's the mothers decision to make. There is no blood on my hands should a woman decide that an abortion is necessary.

    I agree the medical community has know strategy, I do believe however, us laymen use that term to dehumanize the "fetus".

    Sort of like "overseas contingency operations" and "man-caused disasters".


    Yes, those are valid reasons.
    To me the only ones.
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    Re: Palin stands against abortion during Ind. speech

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    That's not logical, but your response made me laugh.
    I think the "pro-abortion" thing is idoitc. Technically, it is true in the general context that one is for the legality of abortion. However, its a cheap tactic used by most people that use it to insinuate that people are for abortions actually taking place in a GENERAL sense and to give the impression to the masses that these people want abortions to happen routinely, just because. Its an attempt to belittle and re-interprit the intention of most pro-choice people, which is generally not that abortion is good but that it is the choice of the woman not the government whether htey should be allowed to do it or not.

    I think the same thing when people on the other side call Pro-Lifer's "anti-choice". Again, technically, it is true. They're against the ability to choose whether one has an abortion or not. However, its a general gross misinterpritation of what Pro-lifer's actually believe in order to confuse the masses into thinking that the mean pro-lifers don't want you deciding what's best for your body when in reality they believe that they fetus is a child and thus has rights and you can't infringe upon its rights.

    Both Anti-Choice and Pro-Abortion are USUALLY used by people who don't actually care about legitimate honest debate or respectful discourse between two people but instead care more about smearing, attacking, and degrading the side opposite of them in all ways possible no matter the amount one must twist, distort, or mislead.
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    Re: Palin stands against abortion during Ind. speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I think the "pro-abortion" thing is idoitc. Technically, it is true in the general context that one is for the legality of abortion. However, its a cheap tactic used by most people that use it to insinuate that people are for abortions actually taking place in a GENERAL sense and to give the impression to the masses that these people want abortions to happen routinely, just because. Its an attempt to belittle and re-interprit the intention of most pro-choice people, which is generally not that abortion is good but that it is the choice of the woman not the government whether htey should be allowed to do it or not.

    I think the same thing when people on the other side call Pro-Lifer's "anti-choice". Again, technically, it is true. They're against the ability to choose whether one has an abortion or not. However, its a general gross misinterpritation of what Pro-lifer's actually believe in order to confuse the masses into thinking that the mean pro-lifers don't want you deciding what's best for your body when in reality they believe that they fetus is a child and thus has rights and you can't infringe upon its rights.

    Both Anti-Choice and Pro-Abortion are USUALLY used by people who don't actually care about legitimate honest debate or respectful discourse between two people but instead care more about smearing, attacking, and degrading the side opposite of them in all ways possible no matter the amount one must twist, distort, or mislead.


    I think argument that its a fetus not a child is more disingenuous than my opinon that if you support abortion "rights" you are pro abortion.


    It's my honest opinion. I don't use "pro-abortion" because I want to be "dishonest" or "disrespectful"....


    When many of these same people are "anti-choice" when it comes to the 2nd. Using a term like "pro-choice" to me is disingenuous.
    You should try to remember, ideas are conveyed by researching information, vetting sources, and confirming said information. Not by regurgitating talking points given to you by your "news" station.
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    Re: Palin stands against abortion during Ind. speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I think argument that its a fetus not a child is more disingenuous than my opinon that if you support abortion "rights" you are pro abortion.


    It's my honest opinion. I don't use "pro-abortion" because I want to be "dishonest" or "disrespectful"....


    When many of these same people are "anti-choice" when it comes to the 2nd. Using a term like "pro-choice" to me is disingenuous.
    Okay, so if I support a woman's right to choose what she wants to do with her own pregnancy, but I choose to keep that fetus--how would you label me?

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    Re: Palin stands against abortion during Ind. speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Curious, cause I honestly don't remember this off the top of my head from the campaign.

    Is she for banning it in all cases, including in times when the mother's life is in danger or cases of rape/incest?

    and

    Is she on record of saying there should be a national ban of it or the states should decide?
    I'm sure some quote can be lifted from somewhere (probably her church, which I think should be off limits unless the Church enters the public arena with political stumping) that could make the case for it. However, in her time as governor of Alaska, Palin has been very clear about keeping her personal beliefs out of her role as governor.

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    Re: Palin stands against abortion during Ind. speech

    Yep, I've got no worries about her record. It was more just a general question about her stance because I honestly don't know.

    The reason I ask is because someone that thinks that it should be illegal on a national scale for ANY reason AT ALL and is in favor of major legal ramifications on people who choose to do so illegally would be extreme in my mind, much like people who push for Late Term abortions being legalized and wanting large government aid to do such and advocating that younger people are actually encouraged to get abortions would be the extreme on the other side.

    I think its entirely possible to be "extreme" on the issue on both sides, I just honestly don't know Palin's stances enough to know where she sits in this particular regard
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    Re: Palin stands against abortion during Ind. speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Yep, I've got no worries about her record. It was more just a general question about her stance because I honestly don't know.

    The reason I ask is because someone that thinks that it should be illegal on a national scale for ANY reason AT ALL and is in favor of major legal ramifications on people who choose to do so illegally would be extreme in my mind, much like people who push for Late Term abortions being legalized and wanting large government aid to do such and advocating that younger people are actually encouraged to get abortions would be the extreme on the other side.

    I think its entirely possible to be "extreme" on the issue on both sides, I just honestly don't know Palin's stances enough to know where she sits in this particular regard

    She did appoint a pro-choice judge to Alaska's SC.

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