"He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
Constant vigilance and negotiation over "fishing dominance" in the area. What did she actually do? I'm not going to sit here and pretend she herself actually maintained that vigilance, but what was it that she did with regard to that "plan for vigilance"? What negotiations did she herself conduct? I know she took the office, but what plans was she instrumental in crafting, or influential with regard to directing to be developed? You don't get experience bestowed upon you because you assume office. You have to actually experience it. She took office in what, December of 2006? The interview with Charles Gibson was in mid-September of 2008. That's nineteen months as governor, a few of which had been part time at best due to her pregnancy and her campaigning with McCain. Realistically speaking, how does this help her at all?
Jallman, I'm not daft and I think you know this. Nineteen months on the job, some of which have been spent on non-Governor related work. So given this, how much input do you think she could have realistically had? What committees did she sit on? What formalized training did she attend on these issues? What actual negotiations did she participate in? Which foreign leaders did she meet with? Privy to? Fine, privy to. Influential in or responsible for? I'll need convincing. Starting with some citations as to her actual experience would be a good start.Yeah, the fed takes care of a lot of the particulars on all that, but you can't possibly be so daft as to believe that the GOVERNOR of Alaska isn't privy to and permitted input into all this.
Why are YOU now diverting this conversation? I sure Obama had very little experience at all with regard to foreign policy if any at all. But that is NOT the topic here. It's about Palin. Why do I have to keep saying this? Look, I voted for Obama despite his lack of experience on many things. It was the totality of the package, and I understand you don't agree with me on who the better candidate was. But let's keep this on Palin. Nothing Obama did or didn't do, knew or didn't know, changes anything about Sarah Palin.The question that has burned in the back of my mind all this time is "What foreign policy experience did a junior senator from Illinois who only served 20 something weeks active in the Senate have?" No one has ever answered that question sufficiently to me, either. So spoon feed THAT to me because it escapes my grasp to this day.
I can agree on certain issuesWait, no it doesn't. The way he is going about things now tells me "none" is the answer to that.
Last edited by Lerxst; 04-19-09 at 08:08 PM.
To be honest, I don't even know why I got into this discussion. Sarah Palin is last week. What with Obama bowing to Saudi Kings and giving the Queen of England an iPod I think we have plenty of fodder for non-issue discussion.
Last edited by Wessexman; 04-19-09 at 08:35 PM.
"It is written in the eternal constitution that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke
How typical of you to rail about your "perceptions" of Palin but willingly ignore the FACT that you supported a candidate with far less experience and who is weakening this nation daily with his insane economic policies and putting the nation even more at risk from our enemies by releasing CIA memos for purely political purposes.
There is a great editorial in today's Washington Post about Palin's speech. Ruth Marcus points out that Palin's thoughts about terminating her pregnancy on two occasions indicates she is pro-choice. THIS IS EXACTLY HOW I FEEL. I got pregnant unexpectedly, and I did not want to have a baby. However, I just couldn't terminate the pregnancy. It would have haunted me for the rest of my life. I made the SAME choice as Palin, but somehow she is pro-life and I am pro-choice (according to Palin).
Palin's Personal Choice
By Ruth Marcus
Monday, April 20, 2009
I'd like to thank Sarah Palin for her bravery in explaining the importance of a woman's right to choose. Even braver, the Alaska governor made her eloquent case for choice at a right-to-life fundraising dinner.
That was not, of course, Palin's intention in revealing that she momentarily considered having an abortion. Twice, actually -- once when she discovered she would be a mother at 44, again several weeks later when she discovered that her baby would have Down syndrome.
[She quotes Palin] "So we went through some things a year ago that now lets me understand a woman's, a girl's temptation to maybe try to make it all go away if she has been influenced by society to believe that she's not strong enough or smart enough or equipped enough or convenienced enough to make the choice to let the child live. I do understand what these women, what these girls go through in that thought process."
Except that, of course, if it were up to Palin, women would have no thought process to go through. The "good decision to choose life," as she put it, would be no decision at all, because abortion would not be an option.
This is not a particularly complex point, but it is one toward which Palin seems deliberately obtuse. It came up at the Republican convention last summer, when the Palins issued a statement about their daughter's pregnancy: "We're proud of Bristol's decision to have her baby." Again, in the world according to Palin, there would be no decision at all. Abortion would be illegal except to save the life of the mother.
Ruth Marcus - Sarah Palin's Personal Choice Not to Have an Abortion
Okay, Lerxst, we're just going to have to agree to disagree because I think the whole conversation just took on an air of being ridiculous. I'm not going to sit here and play your game of hunting down the details of everything Palin did as governor while you refuse to do the same for your little community organizer.
You basically hold Palin to a different standard because she has the R after her name and nothing more. It's beyond absurd.