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    Re: Fed to invest $13 billion in nationwide high-speed rail project

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    Horrible, horrible, horrible idea.

    Before the government spends $13 billion on new railroads, how about they first demonstrate that they can run Amtrak efficiently?
    Well, from what I read, it's really disingenuous to call it "nationwide", since they're only talking about 100-600 miles of rail.

    Also, from a practical standpoint, it's damn stupid. Anyone want to ride on a vehicle going Mach 0.6 twenty feet above the ground when the terrorists blow up the track?

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    Re: Fed to invest $13 billion in nationwide high-speed rail project

    It's throwing money down the toilet. It's obvious this has not been thought through and well-planned in the slightest. I'm all for less cars on the road, but the solutions have to work.
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    Re: Fed to invest $13 billion in nationwide high-speed rail project

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Brilliant idea. High speed trains are great. In Europe and Japan we have had high speed trains for decades and they are very very profitable, safe and faster than planes in most cases. The French high-speed train system had a profit of over 1 billion euros last year if I am not mistaken.

    But then again it depends on what is meant by "high-speed" in the US. Last I looked the US definition was not very fast heh.
    WELL THEN.

    If they're "very profitable", the all that needs doing is for congress and the states to arrange permits for the rights of way and the construction, and the private investors who are flocking to build this highly profitable railroad can get to work. If it's "highly profitable" there's absolutely no reason the government should be spending taxpayer dollars on it.

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    Re: Fed to invest $13 billion in nationwide high-speed rail project

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    13 billion is only a drop in the bucket compared to what the eventual costs would be for a nationwide high-speed rail project.

    I think the money would be far better invested as a federal grant program for light rail and commuter rail system in major metros. We have a lot of cities that lack commuter rail systems and that would be far more viable then putting in a high speed rail system from say LA to Chicago.
    It takes six hours and two hundred dollars to fly from Los Angeles to Chicago.

    What rail project is going to compete with that?

    Answer: None. Not possible.

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    Re: Fed to invest $13 billion in nationwide high-speed rail project

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Well, from what I read, it's really disingenuous to call it "nationwide", since they're only talking about 100-600 miles of rail.

    Also, from a practical standpoint, it's damn stupid. Anyone want to ride on a vehicle going Mach 0.6 twenty feet above the ground when the terrorists blow up the track?
    So you're saying we shouldn't build it because you're scared of terrorists. We can't be scared of terrorists forever. I fly all the time. Anybody want to be flying mach .6 1000 feet of the ground when an SA-14 tags your ass?

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    Re: Fed to invest $13 billion in nationwide high-speed rail project

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So yes, high speed trains on medium distances is a sensible investment and profitable one at that. Btw the Euro/Japanese high speed requirements (to be called highspeed) is over 200 km/hour minimum on existing tracks or 250km/hour on new tracks. Most go 300km/hour or over.
    The private investors should be lining up to put their own money down to do it.

    The government has no business getting involved here. The people of Montana, for example, which doesn't have anything resembling what most people would call a "city", shouldn't have to pay for Joe Biden's speedier commute.

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    Re: Fed to invest $13 billion in nationwide high-speed rail project

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    It takes six hours and two hundred dollars to fly from Los Angeles to Chicago.

    What rail project is going to compete with that?

    Answer: None. Not possible.
    Close. $346 if you were to leave the day after tomorrow on the cheapest ariline (Southwest)...

    I think it would be cheaper, especially in lieu of rising oil prices.

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    Re: Fed to invest $13 billion in nationwide high-speed rail project

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    The private investors should be lining up to put their own money down to do it.

    The government has no business getting involved here. The people of Montana, for example, which doesn't have anything resembling what most people would call a "city", shouldn't have to pay for Joe Biden's speedier commute.
    Sure it does, in fact it's constitutional and in line with the Federal Government's proper function, interstate affairs. I think the people of Montana would see tangential benefits in the form of a more competitive economy (see my previous posts).

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    Re: Fed to invest $13 billion in nationwide high-speed rail project

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    So you're saying we shouldn't build it because you're scared of terrorists. We can't be scared of terrorists forever. I fly all the time. Anybody want to be flying mach .6 1000 feet of the ground when an SA-14 tags your ass?
    No. I'm pointing that out as one drawback.

    Not many passenger airliners fly that fast that close to the ground, really. And...that particular flight regime is known as "takeoff" and "landing approach", and are relatively short in duration, as compared to the 100% of the time the train is on the ground.


    The biggest argument against it goes like this:

    The government's broke, it should stop wasting taxpayer dollars on boondoggles. If it's argued that it isn't a boondoggle, then show us the private investors lining up to invest their own cash, and if they exist, there's no need for the government to be spending that money.

    So either way, the government should not be spending the money.

    Hey, if some private consortium wants to pony up a few gigabucks to play railroad tycoon, fine by me, but it's not something the public has such an urgent need for that it needs to invoke Article 1 Section 8 whichever paragraph covers post roads, to finance.

    Really, if we needed it, someone would be building it with their own cash.

    I can get to San Fransissyco by plane, by train, and by automobile, and frankly, there's no traffic jam on the I-5, there's no backlog of train seats, and there's no shortage of airplanes to get me there. There's no need for such a train. If the Balitmorons and the Washingtonians feel there should be a faster train between the two towns, those two towns can make their own arrangements and the project should be financed by charging the passengers the proper ticket prices.

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    Re: Fed to invest $13 billion in nationwide high-speed rail project

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    Sure it does, in fact it's constitutional and in line with the Federal Government's proper function, interstate affairs. I think the people of Montana would see tangential benefits in the form of a more competitive economy (see my previous posts).
    If the choo choo doesn't go to Billings, and I can't see why it would, it doesn't get any benefit from the choo choo.

    But it still gets the tax bite.

    Now, that's wrong.

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