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    Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/17/us...gewanted=print

    The Justice Department made public on Friday detailed memos describing harsh interrogation techniques used by the Central Intelligence Agency, as President Obama said that C.I.A. operatives who carried out the techniques would not be prosecuted.

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    But Mr. Obama used a written statement to reiterate his opposition to a extensive investigation of the program, saying it was “time for reflection, not retribution.”
    Interesting to see his response.

    This is a sketchy part:

    One technique authorized for use by the C.I.A. beginning in August 2002 was the use of “insects placed in a confinement box,” presumably to induce fear on the part of a terror suspect
    But there's no indication that this was actually used, and it sounds more like the NYT is just going through a list of all approved techniques and picking out ones that sound scary rather than reflecting the techniques that were actually used.
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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    If you want to see the actual memos, go here:

    American Civil Liberties Union : Office of Legal Counsel Memos

    I would strongly suggest reading through some of them. You might be surprised.
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    No one will ever be brought to justice for the tortures that went on in Gitmo because the administration doesn't care. All that matters to me is that it happened, and the details are now public. The U.S. no longer has the right to cry out against other nations that employ torture.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    No one will ever be brought to justice for the tortures that went on in Gitmo because the administration doesn't care. All that matters to me is that it happened, and the details are now public. The U.S. no longer has the right to cry out against other nations that employ torture.
    Do you see any distinctions between countries depending on their policies, or do you just lump everyone who has committed what you consider torture in the same boat?

    In your eyes, is a country that takes a few individuals suspected of having information of imminent terrorist attacks and waterboards them, all while carefully monitoring their vital signs, effectively the same as a country that arrests thousands of dissidents, castrates them, rapes their families, etc.?
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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Do you see any distinctions between countries depending on their policies, or do you just lump everyone who has committed what you consider torture in the same boat?

    In your eyes, is a country that takes a few individuals suspected of having information of imminent terrorist attacks and waterboards them, all while carefully monitoring their vital signs, effectively the same as a country that arrests thousands of dissidents, castrates them, rapes their families, etc.?
    To be fair he didn't exactly say that and he is right to the degree that no one should be torturing. I would not want the UN poking its nose in but I wouldn't want my nation torturing anyone including Chinese water torture.
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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    To be fair he didn't exactly say that and he is right to the degree that no one should be torturing. I would not want the UN poking its nose in but I wouldn't want my nation torturing anyone including Chinese water torture.
    I didn't mean to imply that he said that, I'm actually genuinely asking. There are completely reasonable arguments for both sides, and I can see how someone would make that statement.
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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I didn't mean to imply that he said that, I'm actually genuinely asking. There are completely reasonable arguments for both sides, and I can see how someone would make that statement.
    Obviously one cannot compare the US and say China, ignoring the US and other nations willingness to get paly with China, but I don't think that completely gets them off the hook.

    I'm somewhat of a Stoic but even so I still would not want my nation to tarnish its victories by sinking to its enemies levels and to embark upon a course that, you never know, might see the use of such methods widened.

    Now the likes of the UN and Spain sticking their noses in on such relatively minor transgressions is a different matter. I have little time for such transnationalism and it seems like pathetic, PC stunts to me. Again one is forced to remind the left(and others.) that a diminished respect for national sovereignty is likely to undermine any progres that aggressive interventionism, whether it is through invasions or extra-governmental institutions, may devliver.
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    ..... It's almost as if all of Bush's destiny was to start Obama...
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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Obama is behaving like an enema to the state.

    Attacking it from within and from all quarters.

    Obama consulted widely on memos - Mike Allen - POLITICO.com
    “It was a weighty decision,” Axelrod said.

    ... former top official in the administration of President George W. Bush called the publication of the memos “unbelievable.”

    “It's damaging because these are techniques that work, and by Obama's action today, we are telling the terrorists what they are,” the official said. “We have laid it all out for our enemies.
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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    I agree that the line officers who were commanded to use torture should not be prosecuted at this time. To choose them first would make them scapegoats, and the wrath of the nation would focus on them rather than those who are truly to blame.

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