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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Since 2006, all CIA and military interrogators have been trained at Fort Huachuca in Arizona. The techniques now used by US personel are all benign and passive.

    However, it is not clear whether the CIA has ceased renditions. Thirteen nations have been positively identified as receiving rendered prisoners on behalf of the CIA. Many of these nations (ie. Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Syria, Egypt, Kyrzigstan) are notorious for their brutal interrogation methods.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Acting always honourably and chivalrously cannot hurt in sending a message to your enemies but most importantly it maintains the freedom and dignity of our nations and makes victory that much sweeter.
    You are kidding right? The ONLY message we are currently sending to our enemies is that it is okay to commit terrorist acts on our people and we will not only try to placate you if we catch you, but hand you rights you never had and then attempt to impugn our own Government for any grievance you have.

    We are telling our enemies that we are pushovers who don't have the spine to do what it takes and naively think that how we treat you may possibly change your behavior towards us.

    The laughter you hear are the enemies of freedom and peace watching us tear at each other over perceived acts of torture. They laugh at us for being soft, weak and for being so damned stupid that we want to prosecute our own people for an act like water boarding desperate murdering terrorists who wouldn't have a second thought about sawing your head from your torso as you screamed for mercy.

    Good lord, what level of denial and naÔvetť' does it take to have such views? I want everyone with the views you share to think about what you believed when the next horrible terrorist event occurs. But itís okay, you can tell their wives or fathers or children that their moms, dads or kids could die with the knowledge that we didnít torture anyone and can hold our heads high.


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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Did you know that a lot of Nazi's defected straight into our government in conclusion of the war?
    Did you know that youíre suffering from a lack of facts? Did you know that many of the scientists we brought into the US to assist in our rocket programs were not Nazis? Did you know that one could actually be a German and NOT be a Nazi? Did you think that we should not bring these scientists in to assist us in a race against the Communists and that we just allow the Communists to take over Europe? Do you think that Communist Russia didn't want to take over Europe? Do you think they didnít want to influence events in the ME? Did you think they didnít want to influence South America?

    Do you somehow THINK that perhaps your desperate anti-America BS doesn't make a lot of sense? Do you THINK at all?

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Nothing gives you more confidence then a government more concerned about how your enemies feel about things then the citizens it supposed to protect.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    You are kidding right? The ONLY message we are currently sending to our enemies is that it is okay to commit terrorist acts on our people and we will not only try to placate you if we catch you, but hand you rights you never had and then attempt to impugn our own Government for any grievance you have.
    Exactly how honourably but firmly dealing with detainees is saying it is okay to commit terrorist acts is beyond me.

    We are telling our enemies that we are pushovers who don't have the spine to do what it takes and naively think that how we treat you may possibly change your behavior towards us.
    The fact one does not torture, apart from telling them one is honourable, does not imply you are a pushover at all.

    The laughter you hear are the enemies of freedom and peace watching us tear at each other over perceived acts of torture. They laugh at us for being soft, weak and for being so damned stupid that we want to prosecute our own people for an act like water boarding desperate murdering terrorists who wouldn't have a second thought about sawing your head from your torso as you screamed for mercy.
    No the laugheter is these people realising they have made many sink to such low depths and become like them.

    Good lord, what level of denial and naÔvetť' does it take to have such views? I want everyone with the views you share to think about what you believed when the next horrible terrorist event occurs. But itís okay, you can tell their wives or fathers or children that their moms, dads or kids could die with the knowledge that we didnít torture anyone and can hold our heads high.
    Except that this isn't 24 and such techniques are of limited use.

    I want everyone with views like you to think about what you have become, to think of how low you have sunk and to what depths you have tarnhised any sense of victory and honour and exactly wherre this dark path is going to lead.
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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    The laughter you hear are the enemies of freedom and peace watching us tear at each other over perceived acts of torture.
    Passive interrogation techniques are not analogous to a free pass. It was the new interrogators from Fort Huachuca who developed the critical intelligence which led to the US air strike which killed Abu Musab Zarqawi.

    In addition, every AQI and insurgent who admitted having anything at all to do with suicide-bombings was tried and hanged by the Iraqi government.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Passive interrogation techniques are not analogous to a free pass. It was the new interrogators from Fort Huachuca who developed the critical intelligence which led to the US air strike which killed Abu Musab Zarqawi.

    In addition, every AQI and insurgent who admitted having anything at all to do with suicide-bombings was tried and hanged by the Iraqi government.
    But it was the more malevolent techniques which broke Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, probably the most devastating blow to Al-queda proper... Could he have been broken any other way? Maybe, maybe not...

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    You are kidding right? The ONLY message we are currently sending to our enemies is that it is okay to commit terrorist acts on our people and we will not only try to placate you if we catch you, but hand you rights you never had and then attempt to impugn our own Government for any grievance you have.

    We are telling our enemies that we are pushovers who don't have the spine to do what it takes and naively think that how we treat you may possibly change your behavior towards us.

    The laughter you hear are the enemies of freedom and peace watching us tear at each other over perceived acts of torture. They laugh at us for being soft, weak and for being so damned stupid that we want to prosecute our own people for an act like water boarding desperate murdering terrorists who wouldn't have a second thought about sawing your head from your torso as you screamed for mercy.

    Good lord, what level of denial and naÔvetť' does it take to have such views? I want everyone with the views you share to think about what you believed when the next horrible terrorist event occurs. But itís okay, you can tell their wives or fathers or children that their moms, dads or kids could die with the knowledge that we didnít torture anyone and can hold our heads high.


    The only naivete I see here is your misguided notion that torturing breeds fear and respect, and keeps us safe. Are you simply mouthing Cheney ideology or did you get your foreign policy degree from Jack Bauer University? Torture has caused the deaths of American servicemen, by inspiring and enraging militants, and the policy of torture has made us less safe. If you don't understand that, please observe silence and allow the adults to keep YOU safe.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    The only naivete I see here is your misguided notion that torturing breeds fear and respect, and keeps us safe. Are you simply mouthing Cheney ideology or did you get your foreign policy degree from Jack Bauer University? Torture has caused the deaths of American servicemen, by inspiring and enraging militants, and the policy of torture has made us less safe. If you don't understand that, please observe silence and allow the adults to keep YOU safe.
    I disagree. It seems these techniques may have played a vital role in disassembling Al-Queda... Breaking the unbreakable... I also doubt that the militants had any idea what was happening to these 14 "high value" assets in the most controlled human environment in perhaps the entire world. Of course, now that the Idiot in Chief released the memo...

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    But it was the more malevolent techniques which broke Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, probably the most devastating blow to Al-queda proper... Could he have been broken any other way? Maybe, maybe not...
    As far as I can see his "breaking" was of little direct importance to the immediate saving of lives. It was about confirming information and such.
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