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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    Is an infant capable of committing a terrorist attack? No. So take your idiocy somewhere else.
    WHOOOSH


    Is a man in custody capable of carrying out a terrorist attack?


    What I am asking is why you're willing to draw line somewhere.
    [I am assuming that you wouldn't be willing to condone the torture of a terror suspect's infant child to elicit info from the suspect]
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I think most people are softies and take the sausage approach. I genuinely don't want to know the exact details of our most clandestine operations.
    CIA operatives are trained to resist REAL torture. You know why? Because they know that it IS a viable method of obtaining information and will be/has been used against them. The methods of the CIA are infinitely more just than our adversaries. "The line" drawn by the CIA and the Bush administration (physical harm) is perfectly reasonable. The Euro's can sit their and snap off about them, but they can come back to me when their nations become internationally relevant enough to warrant covert operations.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    WHOOOSH


    Is a man in custody capable of carrying out a terrorist attack?
    No, but if he has direct knowledge of those that are or potential plots then whatever. Let's put this in to context here. We're talking about hardcore al-queda terrorists, not f'ing infants.


    What I am asking is why you're willing to draw line somewhere.
    [I am assuming that you wouldn't be willing to condone the torture of a terror suspect's infant child to elicit info from the suspect]
    The line drawn by the CIA and the administration (physical harm) is perfectly reasonable. And no, I don't condone using these methods (what you call "torture") against infants under any circumstances. I can't believe you even said that.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    If the Red Cross never would have been denied seeing the suspects then this wouldn't even be an issue. It would have landed people in jail or cleared their name.
    The Red Cross was never denied from seeing the “suspects”; they were denied access to "speak" with them.

    The notion that the "suspects" were not treated humanely and had their religion respected at Gitmo requires willful ignorance or willful denial.

    I have seen videos of the "suspects" playing soccer in the exercise yard, given three meals a day and given prayer rugs and a Koran. I wish our people were treated with as much respect and dignity when they were captured by the "suspects" buddies.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    CIA operatives are trained to resist REAL torture. You know why? Because they know that it IS a viable method of obtaining information and will be/has been used against them.
    As I understand it, the techniques were used by the communists to elicit false confessions for propaganda, not for obtaining useful info.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    As I understand it, the techniques were used by the communists to elicit false confessions for propaganda, not for obtaining useful info.
    It's used for both.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    CIA operatives are trained to resist REAL torture. You know why? Because they know that it IS a viable method of obtaining information and will be/has been used against them. The methods of the CIA are infinitely more just than our adversaries. "The line" drawn by the CIA and the Bush administration (physical harm) is perfectly reasonable. The Euro's can sit their and snap off about them, but they can come back to me when their nations become internationally relevant enough to warrant covert operations.
    Outstanding....

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    And no, I don't condone using these methods (what you call "torture") against infants under any circumstances. I can't believe you even said that.
    When we did the whole "If you could end all human suffering in the world by torturing an infant for eternity, would you?" bit in class, I was the only one who said yes. Not sure what that says about me.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    When we did the whole "If you could end all human suffering in the world by torturing an infant for eternity, would you?" bit in class, I was the only one who said yes. Not sure what that says about me.
    Perhaps that you were willing to set aside your ethical beliefs for a cause? It is a tough ethical question; but that is the nice thing about "schools", they never resemble anything we experience in reality.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    No, but if he has direct knowledge of those that are or potential plots then whatever. Let's put this in to context here. We're talking about hardcore al-queda terrorists, not f'ing infants.
    So a hardcore guy like that might need something really shocking to get him to crack.

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    And no, I don't condone using these methods (what you call "torture") against infants under any circumstances. I can't believe you even said that.
    You're getting warmer. Hang in there.
    Of course, you don't condone them. What I am asking you is to consider why not.
    Even if you thought the only way to crack a hardened aQ operative and get him to reveal the info that would prevent thousands of deaths was to torture his infant child, you wouldn't condone it.
    What I am asking you is why you wouldn't.
    When you do that, it becomes obvious that the simple mathematics of one life vs thousands of live is an insufficient guide.
    I may be wrong.

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