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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I disagree to some degree. I don't think that protecting them from terrorist attacks is worth any price in dishonour or precedent and power given to the state. I balk at such utilitarian calculations.
    What dishonor?

    The authorities arrest a talking animal of outward human form that's worked to murder babies by using babies to carry the bombs. There's no chance of dishonor in peeling that onion and getting every layer of information out of it before discarding it.

    Not the least bit.

    Failing to get all the color out of the mine and thereby failing to prevent an attack on some more babies, merely for some pathetic misguided regard for that animal's outward human form? That's as dishonorable as it gets.

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    Re: Waterboarding Used 266 Times on 2 Suspects

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Human rights are not absolute. Simply confining someone in a prison cell is a violation of human rights, yet you find that perfectly acceptable in certain circumstances.
    That could be used as a justification for all sorts of human rights abuses, from North Korea to Nazi Germany.
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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    What dishonor?

    The authorities arrest a talking animal of outward human form that's worked to murder babies by using babies to carry the bombs. There's no chance of dishonor in peeling that onion and getting every layer of information out of it before discarding it.

    Not the least bit.

    Failing to get all the color out of the mine and thereby failing to prevent an attack on some more babies, merely for some pathetic misguided regard for that animal's outward human form? That's as dishonorable as it gets.
    What court has determined that these people are "animals" who "murdered babies by using babies to carry the bombs"?
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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    The other issue that doesn't seem to be getting space is that we're not discussing traditional warfare.

    The animals being picked up....aren't covered by the Geneva Convention. They have no patron state willing to acknowledge their existence, and thus they have not recourse to a higher authority. They're criminals committing heinous crimes and they're criminals with knowledge of other criminals seeking to perform similar crimes.

    What moral justification is there in according these things "human rights" when by doing so you're permitting them the opportunity to enable other animals to deny the innocent the most basic human right of all, the right to go on living?

    There is no justification for that. If those people desire humane treatment, they first assist the authorities in preventing their comrades from committing more murders. If they're not willing to do that, they're not human.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    What court has determined that these people are "animals" who "murdered babies by using babies to carry the bombs"?
    The court that captured them on a battlefield holding weapons, for one.

    I believe that court is called "the army".

    Seriously, if they want protection of the law, they have to stop being criminals caught red-handed.

    Clearly there are some gray areas. Not many, but one should be careful.

    But the Army captain that captures an enemy on the battlefield and interrogates him, and finds it necessary to fire his .45 service automatic next to his ear to loosen his tongue, hasn't tortured anyone. The case in question allowed the captain's unit to capture more animals and avoid the trap they were setting up.

    Enhanced interrogation techniques work.

    They save the lives of the good guys.

    Just in case you're unclear on this, the good guys are not the terrorists using babies to blow up babies or those courageous men that hacked off Nick Berg's head.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Damn little, except how to play politics.
    Except that he owns the baseball stadium now & you don't.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    The court that captured them on a battlefield holding weapons, for one.
    There are people being held at Guantanamo Bay who were NOT captured on a battlefield holding weapons. In fact, there have been people held at Guantanamo Bay who were completely innocent.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    I believe that court is called "the army".
    Interesting. And did the prisoners have a chance to prove their innocence? Did they have a lawyer? Did they have the right to appeal their detention?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    Seriously, if they want protection of the law, they have to stop being criminals caught red-handed.
    For someone who claims to favor small government, you certainly don't have much of a problem with the government detaining people and doing horrible things to them, without so much as a trial.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    Clearly there are some gray areas. Not many, but one should be careful.
    How generous of you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    Just in case you're unclear on this, the good guys are not the terrorists using babies to blow up babies or those courageous men that hacked off Nick Berg's head.
    Just in case you're unclear on this, the good guys are also not the people who hold innocent people for years on end without giving them a trial, and who torture prisoners who pose no immediate threat to anyone.
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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    There are accepted & binding Laws of War that violation of, can (& have) resulted in the death penalty to the violator.

    Laws of war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

    Wikipedia can start you off, but Nuremberg, Geneva Conventions & many others all apply. To say that once conflict begins, all rules disappear is just flat wrong.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Except that he owns the baseball stadium now & you don't.
    Oh that's right, we're all owned by Dear Leader now. Silly me, I forgot.

    That whole bit about "we the people".....we don't need that any more now that Dear Leader has come to save us from ourselves, is that it?

    Your servile attitude towards government nauseates.

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    Re: Waterboarding Used 266 Times on 2 Suspects

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    None of this means everything is acceptable such as torture. It simply means some rights can be retracted if certain behaviour takes place with the consent of due process.
    Ah, I get your point now. You're against warrantless waterboarding. If the CIA gets a court's approval ahead of time, it's all good.

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