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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    And to do so a man must do what is right. To do what is dishonourable and dangerous harms them.To give in to any means empowers the enemy and weakens the your principles. It also grants the state the precedent and the powers that can all to easily be extended. If it was worked so well on non-citizens, then why not citizens? It is not automatic of course but the precdent is there, the reasoning. Men who will do anything for victory loose all ideas of constraint a and boundaries soon enough, every problem is to be solved in the most quickest and easiest way possible. Power always corrupts.
    You fail to grasp the signature distinction between friend and foe. You do not harm your friends. You do nothing but harm your enemies. That is what is right. That is what is honorable. Anything less on either side is a disgrace.

    That is also the bar to protect against the slippery slope you contrive in your argument.

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    Stalin was right when he said death solves all problems.
    Of course he was. Anyone who thinks death and violence don't resolve issues has never had a taste of either.

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    Means shape ends.
    That's the second time you used that line. It's just as wrong as the first time.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    To do what is dishonourable and dangerous harms them.
    There is nothing dishonorable about inflicting pain or serious harm upon a known terrorist in order to obtain actionable intelligence from them. Anyway, this is all moot. None of this is torture.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Weren't those exact words spoken by Adolf Hitler....Or was it Joseph Stalin???.........Saddam Hussein?? (I know it was one of them)
    No. It was said by me just recently. Anyway, none of this constitutes torture so your argument is baseless.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    You fail to grasp the signature distinction between friend and foe. You do not harm your friends. You do nothing but harm your enemies. That is what is right. That is what is honorable. Anything less on either side is a disgrace.
    You do not seem to recnogise that harm is a broad term, you relegate it to the most base of areas which is why you have the most base of views of what is acceptable behaviour to defend you own.

    That is also the bar to protect against the slippery slope you contrive in your argument.


    Are criminals with citizenship your friends? Are those who stand in the way of your plans to be your friends for long?
    Of course he was. Anyone who thinks death and violence don't resolve issues has never had a taste of either.


    They resolve some issues, but can never resolve all in a satisfactory way.

    That's the second time you used that line. It's just as wrong as the first time.
    So means don't shape ends?(and this is coming from one who recently so attacked judicial activism.)

    So there is not connection between the means you pursue and the outcomes that will arise from the? I think not, I think that in general there is always a very important relationship because it is the means the bring about the very conditions that are the ends. They feed into the very factors that produce the ongoing, dynamic outcomes. If brutality and ruthless utilitarian calculations are your means then they will be a large part of the outcomes.
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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    There is nothing dishonorable about inflicting pain or serious harm upon a known terrorist in order to obtain actionable intelligence from them.
    It certainly is because it is the use of brutal and questionable means that you would certainly not want used on your troops. A terrorist is a broad term, one man's terrorist is the next's freedom fighter to a degree. It is saying that if you associate with these we consider our enemies we will use any means we feel necessary on you. They're enmies of the state after all, they are no longer human and we can do with them as we wish. It is dishonourable and it is dangerous.

    Anyway, this is all moot. None of this is torture.
    Waterboarding certainly is according to the UN's definition. It causes extreme distress.
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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    No. It was said by me just recently. Anyway, none of this constitutes torture so your argument is baseless.

    That's funny...The new Atty General agreed it was torture...But .....what does HE know, right??

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Are criminals with citizenship your friends? Are those who stand in the way of your plans to be your friends for long?
    At times, yes.

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    They resolve some issues, but can never resolve all in a satisfactory way.
    Depends on what will satisfy a man.

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    So means don't shape ends?(and this is coming from one who recently so attacked judicial activism.)
    Choice begets action begets consequence. It is always a choice.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    That's funny...The new Atty General agreed it was torture...But .....what does HE know, right??
    Damn little, except how to play politics.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Waterboarding certainly is according to the UN's definition. It causes extreme distress.
    So does PMS......

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    At times, yes.
    At times. Hmmm.

    It did not got without notice that much of what I said in my posts in these threads you did not respond to.
    Choice begets action begets consequence. It is always a choice.
    Choices take place within the constraints of circumstance.
    Last edited by Wessexman; 04-22-09 at 12:31 AM.
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