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Thread: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    BTW Tall, Has anybody, other than me, answered your question about what kind of interrogation techniques they think we should be using?
    I missed the original question but if it was .." what kind of interrogation techniques they think we should be using?"......

    I would say.....How about LAWFUL ones?

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Are you suggesting that honour and some principles aren't worth such a danger?
    I am not suggesting, but stating that the highest principle is protecting home, hearth, family, and, by extension, nation.

    I am not suggesting, but stating that as we should be equally generous with our enmity as with our friendship.

    I am not suggesting, but stating that, regarding friends and family, there is little I will not do for them.

    I am not suggesting, but stating that, regarding enemies, there is little I will not do to them.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    He did so because he had absolutely no choice, or considered that to be the case
    So his ends (survival and victory) justified his means?

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    I am not suggesting, but stating that the highest principle is protecting home, hearth, family, and, by extension, nation.
    I disagree to some degree. I don't think that protecting them from terrorist attacks is worth any price in dishonour or precedent and power given to the state. I balk at such utilitarian calculations.


    I am not suggesting, but stating that, regarding friends and family, there is little I will not do for them.
    Me neither but I know I serve them better by maintaing my honour, their honour and the honour of our nation.

    I am not suggesting, but stating that, regarding enemies, there is little I will not do to them.
    And it will turn victory itself to ashes in your mouth. Means shape ends, means shape ends.
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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I missed the original question but if it was .." what kind of interrogation techniques they think we should be using?"......

    I would say.....How about LAWFUL ones?
    How about "effective" ones? Ones that yield actionable intelligence and produce results.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    So his ends (survival and victory) justified his means?
    To him perhaps, I'm not sure I agree with his actions, although he was in totally different situation. He was on the battlefield and ignoring these wildly inaccurate 24-like scenarios this is not what is going on here.
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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Me neither but I know I serve them better by maintaing my honour, their honour and the honour of our nation.
    I preserve and protect those close to me. That is sufficient honor for any man.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    And it will turn victory itself to ashes in your mouth. Means shape ends, means shape ends.
    In your mouth, maybe. Not in mine.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    None of this is torture and even if it was it wouldn't matter. All options must be on the table in order to obtain actionable intelligence from known terrorists.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    I preserve and protect those close to me. That is sufficient honor for any man.
    And to do so a man must do what is right. To do what is dishonourable and dangerous harms them.To give in to any means empowers the enemy and weakens the your principles. It also grants the state the precedent and the powers that can all to easily be extended. If it was worked so well on non-citizens, then why not citizens? It is not automatic of course but the precdent is there, the reasoning. Men who will do anything for victory loose all ideas of constraint and boundaries soon enough, every problem is to be solved in the most quickest and easiest way possible. Power always corrupts.

    Stalin was right when he said death solves all problems.


    In your mouth, maybe. Not in mine.
    Means shape ends.
    Last edited by Wessexman; 04-21-09 at 11:50 PM.
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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    None of this is torture and even if it was it wouldn't matter. All options must be on the table in order to obtain actionable intelligence from known terrorists.
    Weren't those exact words spoken by Adolf Hitler....Or was it Joseph Stalin???.........Saddam Hussein?? (I know it was one of them)

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