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Thread: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Umm that definitions suggests it is torture.
    I see you have difficulty distinguishing between "perceived" physical and mental harm, and actually having it inflicted on you. We inflict the same "torture" on our own troops and CIA. Do you think they were under serious physical harm?

    It is obvious that no amount of facts and logic can help you comprehend the issue; carry on.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    He ordered tons of unarmed prisoners killed and you're citing him as an example of honor in comparison to our horribly dishonorable government pouring water on peoples heads!!!!!!!!!!!!

    bwahahahaha
    People do seem to be missing the point that we are pouring water on heads, and not executing people. So despite the protests to the contrary, I think they should applaud our progress. Especially since many of our critics in the global arena are gun shy about even participating in the WoT in a meaningful way.

    BTW Tall, Has anybody, other than me, answered your question about what kind of interrogation techniques they think we should be using?
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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    1-there is no point trying to compare CIA torture techniques with an ancient British monarch
    Wasn't my comparison.

    2-the water is not poured on people's heads, it is poured into their lungs
    Completely false.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I see you have difficulty distinguishing between "perceived" physical and mental harm, and actually having it inflicted on you. We inflict the same "torture" on our own troops and CIA. Do you think they were under serious physical harm?

    It is obvious that no amount of facts and logic can help you comprehend the issue; carry on.
    What are you talking about? Except of course appealing to your usual insults and rudeness.

    The definition includes this.

    Any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person

    That seems to include waterboarding to me. It simulates drowning and is extremely distressing.
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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Wasn't my comparison.
    Nor mine. I was simply responding to the insinuation I got that being honourable in war means you have be soft or romantic and ignore the realities of it. It does not.
    Last edited by Wessexman; 04-21-09 at 10:57 PM.
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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I was citing him as someone willing to be firm and even brutal to maintain honour.

    You seemed to have totally missed everything else I said. He was still fighting the French third line, he had 6000 men and about 6000 prisoners. There were a lot of weapons lying around, if the french prisoners had got hold of them and attacked at the same time as the french third line he would have been defeated. What he did was considered a war crime even at the time, and I'm not sure I condone it.

    But anyway that is unimportant, I wasn't citing him necessarily as paradigm of honour, I was simply showing that honour and gentlemanlyness does not require softness. Sometimes it requires discipline, firmness and even ruthlessness but it certainly rarely includes torture.

    Do try and pay attention.
    So we should have just killed them rather than sent them to Gitmo?

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    So we should have just killed them rather than sent them to Gitmo?
    What? Read what I said again.
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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    People do seem to be missing the point that we are pouring water on heads, and not executing people. So despite the protests to the contrary, I think they should applaud our progress. Especially since many of our critics in the global arena are gun shy about even participating in the WoT in a meaningful way.

    BTW Tall, Has anybody, other than me, answered your question about what kind of interrogation techniques they think we should be using?
    Nope. None except our resident DEA guy who claims he charmed the answers he needed from thousands.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Nor mine. I was simply responding to the insinuation I got that being honourable in war means you have be soft or romantic and ignore the realities of it. It does not.
    But you did in fact assert that Henry V was honorable while our CIA is not which is funny since he killed unarmed prisoners while we got them all wet.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    But you did in fact assert that Henry V was honorable while our CIA is not which is funny since he killed unarmed prisoners while we got them all wet.
    Aside from your continued ignoring of the context of his crime compared with the American's and the obvious silliness of saying you got them wet, I did not say he was honourable, I said he instilled honour in his men or tried to, I was simply trying to remind WI he was incorrect to imply gentlemanlyness or honour requires softness or avoiding the realities of war.

    To be honest I just chose that example because I watched something on him on TV last night.
    Last edited by Wessexman; 04-21-09 at 11:09 PM.
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