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Thread: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    We simply disagree. I was a DEA Agent & interrogated thousands of prisoners for information & never once felt the need to torture. A smart interrogater knows that torture will get the prisoner to tell you ANYTHING he thinks you want to hear. Torture is ineffective for getting reliable info & it is cowardly, un-American, immoral, illegal & can't be justified by simply calling it something besides torture. Call it "Fred"........It's still torture!
    You are so full of crap. Just so you know I don't believe you AT ALL. An interrogator would know how to spell interrogator. Especially a smart one.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    You are so full of crap. Just so you know I don't believe you AT ALL. An interrogator would know how to spell interrogator. Especially a smart one.
    Personal attack is the last line of defense when you're unable to defend your position. Have a nice life.
    Last edited by Devil505; 04-21-09 at 09:29 PM.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Personal attack is the last line of defense when your unable to defend your position. Have a nice life.
    The weakest form of debate is to lie and attempt to pass yourself off as an expert. Especially when you can't even spell interrogator yet claim to have had a job interrogating thousands. Did you seriously not expect to be called out on that?

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Here's what I find funny. I am anti-death penalty and have a relatively low threshold for what I think it's ok for one human to do to another. When our government blows up a terrorist's house and kills the terrorist but also his little kids I get pissed. I don't think it's ok to kill everyone who is in a house/building in order to get your single target. I think we're better than that. Yet, most don't say boo about it.

    But this water crapola makes everyone nuts. Everyone has an opinion on it. And the hysteria surrounding it is just soooo without merit when you put it in perspective. Waterboarding is probably one of the least horrifying aspects of war I can think of off the top of my head for Christ's sake.
    I say the easy answer, is if we are willing to use it to train our own troops/personell, we should be allowed to use it on terror suspects. Are we going to chop off body parts of our own personell? No. Are we going to cut off their heads? No. Are we going to sleep deprive them, food deprive them, water board, and other little nasty, but in the long run, unharmful, tactics to try and break a person? You bet. If its good enough for us, its good enough for them I say.
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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I was a DEA Agent & interrogated thousands of prisoners for information & never once felt the need to torture.
    Big whup. DEA arrests people and gathers evidence for use in prosecutions. The CIA isn't gathering evidence, but actionable intelligence, and gathering it from folks whose motives are not dollar denominated. Cop rules do not apply.

    The CIA should be empowered to get whatever information they can from them by whatever means produce results.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Big whup. DEA arrests people and gathers evidence for use in prosecutions. The CIA isn't gathering evidence, but actionable intelligence, and gathering it from folks whose motives are not dollar denominated. Cop rules do not apply.

    The CIA should be empowered to get whatever information they can from them by whatever means produce results.
    It's not true anyway. First off he couldn't even spell the job he held and secondly I find it hard to believe a bonafide DEA agent would be on here talking like he does. Calling our troops Nazis, monsters, etc.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Big whup. DEA arrests people and gathers evidence for use in prosecutions. The CIA isn't gathering evidence, but actionable intelligence, and gathering it from folks whose motives are not dollar denominated. Cop rules do not apply.

    The CIA should be empowered to get whatever information they can from them by whatever means produce results.
    So.......The end justifies the means? The Nazis had it right? We Americans are not the good guys anymore?

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    So.......The end justifies the means?
    And when Dear Leader's newly moralized CIA fails to stop the next major terrorist attack, what comfort will you give the widows and orphans? "Hey, we kept our principles."

    When failure is no longer an option, the end is all that matters.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    And when Dear Leader's newly moralized CIA fails to stop the next major terrorist attack, what comfort will you give the widows and orphans? "Hey, we kept our principles."
    Are you suggesting that honour and some principles aren't worth such a danger?

    I'd certainly take the "risk", accepting the 24-like situation being posited and the ignoring the often controversial info gathered from torture, of Brits involved for not participating in torture which would damage the honour of my nation and set upo a dangerous precedent(what happens when it is a Brit who is suspected next time!).

    There are some things a gentleman will not do or support for almost any end.
    Last edited by Wessexman; 04-21-09 at 09:44 PM.
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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post

    There are some things a gentleman will not do or support for almost any end.
    Agreed. However something that causes no physical damage when you're talking war and terrorists isn't one of them.

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