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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    For folks who are against waterboarding what means of gathering information from captured peoples would you support?
    Well I am not against waterboarding but I have an idea. Lock these guys up in a room with a 2 year old. When the two year old wants some juice, the terrorist will be required to give the child the juice. But then the two year old will naturally not want the juice in that particular cup. So the terrorist will have to figure out which juice cup it is the two year old wants. When he gets to the last cup and the two year old doesn't want that cup either, he will become frustrated and not offer the child any juice. But the child will be persistent that he/she wants juice, just not in any of the juice cups that they have there. After about 1 week, the terrorist will gladly give up any information needed, in order to escape the clutches of a two year old with an illogical desire for a specific juice cup that does not exist.
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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    My attitude is a very simple one: We are Americans, not Nazis! Torture is NEVER justifiable & "I was just following orders" has not been an acceptable defense since Nuremberg.....Period!
    Anyone who authorized torture or carried it out is a monster & needs to be punished.
    What is torture?
    I think it was Justice Brandeis who was once asked a similar question about pornography. His response was something like this:
    "I cant give you a good legal definition of it but...............I know it when i see it!"
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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    My attitude is a very simple one: We are Americans, not Nazis! Torture is NEVER justifiable & "I was just following orders" has not been an acceptable defense since Nuremberg.....Period!
    Anyone who authorized torture or carried it out is a monster & needs to be punished.
    What is torture?
    I think it was Justice Brandeis who was once asked a similar question about pornography. His response was something like this:
    "I cant give you a good legal definition of it but...............I know it when i see it!"
    You're seriously going to compare sleep deprivation and waterboarding to Nazis!!!!! How am I supposed to take that seriously?

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    You're seriously going to compare sleep deprivation and waterboarding to Nazis!!!!!
    There was more to it than that & some prisoners were actually killed outright. Yes.....It was NAZI type torture alright & Obama did the right thing by reversing himself today. Torturers are no better than Nazis & need to meet with the same ultimate penalty...Especially the "Deciders" that authorized it!

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Here's what I find funny. I am anti-death penalty and have a relatively low threshold for what I think it's ok for one human to do to another. When our government blows up a terrorist's house and kills the terrorist but also his little kids I get pissed. I don't think it's ok to kill everyone who is in a house/building in order to get your single target. I think we're better than that. Yet, most don't say boo about it.

    But this water crapola makes everyone nuts. Everyone has an opinion on it. And the hysteria surrounding it is just soooo without merit when you put it in perspective. Waterboarding is probably one of the least horrifying aspects of war I can think of off the top of my head for Christ's sake.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    There was more to it than that & some prisoners were actually killed outright. Yes.....It was NAZI type torture alright & Obama did the right thing by reversing himself today. Torturers are no better than Nazis & need to meet with the same ultimate penalty...Especially the "Deciders" that authorized it!
    We outright killed prisoners with waterboarding?

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Torture is NEVER justifiable
    Sure it is.

    If it produces actionable intelligence that thwarts terrorist attacks and saves American lives, it's justified.

    This is the CIA, not the Boy Scouts.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Here's what I find funny. I am anti-death penalty and have a relatively low threshold for what I think it's ok for one human to do to another. When our government blows up a terrorist's house and kills the terrorist but also his little kids I get pissed. I don't think it's ok to kill everyone who is in a house/building in order to get your single target. I think we're better than that. Yet, most don't say boo about it.

    But this water crapola makes everyone nuts. Everyone has an opinion on it. And the hysteria surrounding it is just soooo without merit when you put it in perspective. Waterboarding is probably one of the least horrifying aspects of war I can think of off the top of my head for Christ's sake.

    We are all speaking from ignorance of the true facts, at this point, so let's let the truth come out b4 we rush to protect some suspected monsters among us.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    We are all speaking from ignorance of the true facts, at this point, so let's let the truth come out b4 we rush to protect some suspected monsters among us.
    Monsters! Seriously????????? Most of the complaints from Guantanamo involved abuse of their religion, their religious books, cold cells, and crap food.

    Gimme a god damn break.

    Most of them were not waterboarded.

    This is exactly what pisses me off about Obama going on TV and talking crap about our mistakes and wrongdoing. Now we have goofs talking about monsters among us.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Sure it is.

    If it produces actionable intelligence that thwarts terrorist attacks and saves American lives, it's justified.

    This is the CIA, not the Boy Scouts.

    We simply disagree. I was a DEA Agent & interrogated thousands of prisoners for information & never once felt the need to torture. A smart interrogater knows that torture will get the prisoner to tell you ANYTHING he thinks you want to hear. Torture is ineffective for getting reliable info & it is cowardly, un-American, immoral, illegal & can't be justified by simply calling it something besides torture. Call it "Fred"........It's still torture!.....& if you "Fred" someone....You are indeed a monster!
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