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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

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    Re: Waterboarding Used 266 Times on 2 Suspects

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Chopping off limbs or beheading someone is more then just torture, it's barbaric.

    What someone considers or does not consider torture is arbitrary so there must be defined qualifications and perspective. Making someone feel like they are drowning is torture, to me. The same as any other method you can see in a traditional medieval torture chamber. Forcing someone to kill their own children would also be considered torture to me. Even though no physical harm is done to the individual.
    Anything involving bodily harm and injury in an effort to intimidate or manipulate would qualify for me. However emotionally feeling tortured would not. Stress would not. Allowing for mental duress to count as torture pretty much means anything and everything could be torturous. If it is true that waterboarding generally causes no permanent bodily harm or injury then I don't object to it.

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    Re: Waterboarding Used 266 Times on 2 Suspects

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Anything involving bodily harm and injury in an effort to intimidate or manipulate would qualify for me. However emotionally feeling tortured would not. Stress would not. Allowing for mental duress to count as torture pretty much means anything and everything could be torturous. If it is true that waterboarding generally causes no permanent bodily harm or injury then I don't object to it.
    How about my below scenario? Would you consider it torture?
    Forcing someone to kill their own children would also be considered torture to me. Even though no physical harm is done to the individual.
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    Re: Waterboarding Used 266 Times on 2 Suspects

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I see you also have issues comprehending the difference between "scared of drowning", "feel like", "sensation of drowning" and physical harm.

    The only BS here is the crapola being shoveled out by Liberals and Democrats for purely partisan political purposes.
    You're splitting hairs. How are you defining "physical harm"? Cuts, bruises, and broken limbs? You're reduced to arguing the legalese of the term torture because you know perfectly well that it's an abuse of human rights. Civilized people don't do things like this.
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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Does causing a single drip of water ever 45 seconds to drip on someone's forehead physically cause any real damage other than anguish do to uncontrollable repetitive skin action? Isn't that one of the worst chineese tortures?

    No need to mafiaze the government and sweet package it.
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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    BTW, wanna know who really broke this story? Our own DP Newsbot Killer, danarhea:

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    Re: Waterboarding Used 266 Times on 2 Suspects

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    How about my below scenario? Would you consider it torture?
    Um yeah. It's obvious to me that killing someone's child, relative, spouse, love, etc involves bodily harm. Anything that causes actual physical bodily harm that is done with the intent of intimidating or manipulating would clearly be torture. I know there are mental forms of anguish that are often implemented however I don't think we should work to get the legal definition to include them otherwise anything and everything will be considered torture and we won't be able to capture a prisoner during a war unless we aim to keep them at the Hilton.

    Waterboarding is said to generally do no actual bodily harm. Any stress from the process is mental and there is no intent to damage the actual physical body.

    As a side note I saw some goofy kids waterboarding each other at a protest a few years ago. I'm not sure what their point was. Or why they were doing or even if they were doing it right. If they were doing it right other than a lot of sputtering and coughing it didn't actually seem all that bad. I don't get the hysteria. Once it's over, it's over and there's no physical damage.
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    Re: Waterboarding Used 266 Times on 2 Suspects

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    You're splitting hairs. How are you defining "physical harm"? Cuts, bruises, and broken limbs? You're reduced to arguing the legalese of the term torture because you know perfectly well that it's an abuse of human rights. Civilized people don't do things like this.
    War isn't civilized and that's just a god damn fact of life. When there is no more war I will agree that we ought not to do anything untoward to anyone and we all shall live as one.

    But we're more than a mile from that and in the meantime it's fairly stupid to talk about prisoners of war and civil behavior. Human rights go out the freaking window when strangers who don't know each other are ready and willing to kill one another at the bequest of their government.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMkaI8Ad4po"]YouTube - Obama Defends Release of Interrogation Memos[/ame]

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Obama open to prosecution, probe of interrogations
    WASHINGTON President Barack Obama left the door open Tuesday to prosecuting Bush administration officials who devised the legal authority for gruesome terror-suspect interrogations, saying the United States lost "our moral bearings" with use of the tactics.

    The question of whether to bring charges against those who devised justification for the methods "is going to be more of a decision for the attorney general within the parameters of various laws and I don't want to prejudge that," Obama said. The president discussed the continuing issue of terrorism-era interrogation tactics with reporters as he finished an Oval Office meeting with visiting King Abdullah II of Jordan.
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