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    re: Waterboarding Used 266 Times on 2 Suspects

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    The New York Times stoops to a new low level for journalism where it has decided to quote Left Wing blog sites and unsubstantiated anonymous sources as being credible sources for investigative news.

    With the purely partisan political release of CIA memos on water boarding which will serve to weaken our intelligence gathering efforts and make a mockery of the CIA, the New York Times decided that the American public has become so gullible and stupid that they can publish and article that defies logic.

    Just some simple math folks, this article claims that Mohammad was supposedly water boarded 6 times daily for 31 days. Only those willingly suspending common sense can think there is any truth in this report.

    But we should not be surprised with such suspect reporting; after all, the NYTs led the campaign of ignorance against George Bush and the war in Iraq.

    Here are a few pertinent excerpts.

    Waterboarding Used 266 Times on 2 Suspects
    By SCOTT SHANE
    Published: April 19, 2009

    The new information on the number of waterboarding episodes came out over the weekend when a number of bloggers, including Marcy Wheeler of the blog emptywheel, discovered it in the May 30, 2005, memo.

    The Times article, based on information from former intelligence officers who spoke on condition of anonymity, said Abu Zubaydah had revealed a great deal of information before harsh methods were used and after his captors stripped him of clothes, kept him in a cold cell and kept him awake at night.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/20/wo...oarding&st=cse

    The NYTs should not be surprised their readership has declined to precipitously low volume and losing advertising dollars. When you reduce the integrity of your reporting to that of the Star, should anyone be surprised?
    I guess I don't really understand your outrage here. The article does mention left-wing bloggers, but not as a resource. From the very thing you pasted here it merely mentions that these things were discovered in a report by left-wing bloggers.
    As for the anonymous intelligence officers it doesn't try to pass them off as legitimate sources and even mentions that they spoke to them only on the condition that they remained anonymous.
    Also, how exactly does your personal outrage over this issue qualify as breaking news?

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    Re: Waterboarding Used 266 Times on 2 Suspects

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    Re: Lies passed off as Journalism?

    Had the Islamic extremists never attacked our World Trade Center towers, this water-boarding would never have happened..
    Or...those who play with fire end up being burned..
    This has nothing to do with Liberal or Conservative..
    I am not say the "torture" is wrong or right.
    I am saying that the Iraq adventure, like the Vietnam era ,were both wrong..
    We cannot, must not, impose our values, our morals, our rights on other nations....even if we mean well, they do not merit it....
    Our nation can heal itself, can progress , can go forward ,if, and only if we learn from these mistakes....
    When other less developed, less civilized nations are ready for human rights, they will let us know..

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    Re: Waterboarding Used 266 Times on 2 Suspects

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Just some simple math folks, this article claims that Mohammad was supposedly water boarded 6 times daily for 31 days. Only those willingly suspending common sense can think there is any truth in this report.
    Why? It is fully possible for a captive to be water-boarded 6 times for 31 days. This suspending common sense would require the act to be impossible, which it is not.
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    Re: Lies passed off as Journalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Had the Islamic extremists never attacked our World Trade Center towers, this water-boarding would never have happened..
    Or...those who play with fire end up being burned..
    This has nothing to do with Liberal or Conservative..
    I am not say the "torture" is wrong or right.
    I am saying that the Iraq adventure, like the Vietnam era ,were both wrong..
    We cannot, must not, impose our values, our morals, our rights on other nations....even if we mean well, they do not merit it....
    Our nation can heal itself, can progress , can go forward ,if, and only if we learn from these mistakes....
    When other less developed, less civilized nations are ready for human rights, they will let us know..
    Maybe if we weren't becoming more and more global every year with all the economies & resources being so linked, connected, and dependent on one another.

    I personally don't see the justification of allowing blatant human rights violations in this day and age. Certain human rights issues must become universal. Not necessarily saying we should go to war over these issues however we most definitely should exert our influence and not just ignore or turn a blind eye towards all human rights violations because they don't happen to be taking place within our borders.

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    Re: Waterboarding Used 266 Times on 2 Suspects

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Moderator's Warning:
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    This is also a duplicate post from one a moderator posted which I had asked to be deleted or merged.

    Sorry about the violations and duplicate thread.

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    Re: Waterboarding Used 266 Times on 2 Suspects

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Why? It is fully possible for a captive to be water-boarded 6 times for 31 days. This suspending common sense would require the act to be impossible, which it is not.
    If you understood the legal definition of torture, it requires physical harm; I would submit that being water boarded 6 times a day for 31 days without any evidence of physical harm pretty much destroys the Left Wing and Democrats claims that water boarding can be construed as a form of torture.

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    Re: Waterboarding Used 266 Times on 2 Suspects

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    I guess I don't really understand your outrage here. The article does mention left-wing bloggers, but not as a resource. From the very thing you pasted here it merely mentions that these things were discovered in a report by left-wing bloggers.
    As for the anonymous intelligence officers it doesn't try to pass them off as legitimate sources and even mentions that they spoke to them only on the condition that they remained anonymous.
    Also, how exactly does your personal outrage over this issue qualify as breaking news?
    Using blog sites and "anonymous" sources for credible news should outrage anyone concerned with honest investigative journalism.

    This story should never have been printed in anything BUT the Star Weekly or National Enquirer. It is the same level of journalistic garbage.

    But then, when it serves a particular partisan political view, Liberals and Democrats think credible honest journalism can be waived for sensationalist suspect articles with little investigation, sourcing and vetting.

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    Re: Waterboarding Used 266 Times on 2 Suspects

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    This is also a duplicate post from one a moderator posted which I had asked to be deleted or merged.

    Sorry about the violations and duplicate thread.
    Moderator's Warning:
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    Re: Waterboarding Used 266 Times on 2 Suspects

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    If you understood the legal definition of torture, it requires physical harm; I would submit that being water boarded 6 times a day for 31 days without any evidence of physical harm pretty much destroys the Left Wing and Democrats claims that water boarding can be construed as a form of torture.
    So hypothetically, would you be willing to undergo waterboarding, since there's no actual physical harm?
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