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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Were 9/11 detainee's children tortured by insects?
    Bush memos parallel claim 9/11 mastermindís children were tortured with insects
    The memo was dated Aug. 1, 2002. Khalid Sheikh Mohammedís children were captured and held in Pakistan the following month, according to a report by Human Rights Watch.

    While an additional memo released Thursday claims that the torture with insects technique was never utilized by the CIA, the allegations regarding the children would have transpired when the method was authorized by the Bush Administration.

    At a military tribunal in 2007, the father of a Guantanamo detainee alleged that Pakistani guards had confessed that American interrogators used ants to coerce the children of alleged 9/11 mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed into revealing their fatherís whereabouts.
    I'm thinking this is all going to come down to "You should'a let management and a small group of Red Cross in and alert them of the bluffing torture setup you supposedly had."
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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    The "successful" examples of torture which were prominently publicized by the Bush administration, turned out to be fiction. But many servicemen risked their lives discovering they were fiction. Whatever AlQaeda are, they are not pussies, and they will not give up their comrades just because you set their feet on fire.
    Who set anyone's feet on fire? Do you have any response to the LAT article I just provided that directly contradicted your claims?

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    Were 9/11 detainee's children tortured by insects?
    Bush memos parallel claim 9/11 mastermindís children were tortured with insects
    Oh, ****. Well, if the father of a Guantanamo detainee said that some Pakistani guards told him that some Americans said that they heard it happened, it must have happened.
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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Apparently it's not so clear.

    Did waterboarding work? - Los Angeles Times
    Yes but it is hardly this 24-like scenario seemingly being posited and hardly seems worse the loss of honour and the precedent being set.
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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I guess it was your vast intellectual prowess which makes your witty prose beyond my simplistic ability to read and comprehend.
    I doubt it.
    But thank you anyway.
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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Lee Stranahan: CIA Official: Waterboard #184 Would Have "Worked Like A Charm"

    LANGLEY, VA: Confirming reports that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was waterboarded 183 times in one month in 2003, CIA officials officially stated that America had been put in grave peril by the agency stopping just shy of the 'magic number' of 184 waterboarding sessions during that month.

    "We were really close with KSM -- maybe just a Super Big Gulp of water away from breaking a number of major cases wide open" said officials. "Before we were pulled back. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was about to tell us who assassinated JFK, why Building 7 collapsed at the World Trade Center and was also about to solve an episode of Cold Case where a closeted gay high school athlete was found dead on the basketball court in 1953."

    The unnamed officials spoke under the condition that Dick Cheney would "stop hanging around outside their house and pestering their kids."
    Everyone knows if you gotta do something 183 times in a month it must be a very effective task...

    lol damn that story is funny.
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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    C'mon.

    Did even the Obama worshippers and disciples expect anything more? The minute Senator Obama turned into President Obama he was exposed to the real world beyond the politics and BS. He was exposed to the disturbing ugliness of this world and was presented the intelligence and truth of the past 7 years. It most certainly is not black and white. People state that they understand such things, but I don't think they do.

    President Obama was exposed to all the little secrets that ensure that the average American can sleep in his bed secure at night or secure in the notion that he can go to the local store and purchase his gas or latest technological goodie. It is a fact that sometimes a-holes need punched in the mouth. The thug in this country or the brute in that country could care less that the average American feels good about his life. He simply wants what he wants like the rest of us do. This means that no matter what it is - financial gain, religious reward, revenge, or whatever - he will try to ensure that he gets it. Which, in turn, means that it cannot conflict with what the average American wants for his life. An assassination here, a coup there, maybe a nudge of friendly support here on top of a deal there, Americans get their gas and security from an entire region.

    If Obama was to go after the agents of the past, he would ensure that he no longer had the necessary tools used in the past. President after President after President has had the complete arsenol of the American power at his beckon call. (The only mistake Bush made was letting Democrats expose certain truths, and thereby doing this nation a diservice for their own political BS.) From dealing with agents of the Cold War to dealing with international trades in terrorism, this nation has always done what it had to. President Clinton was the first to cast the UN to the side (twice) even though President Bush would get the media honors. Pesident Obama will certainly do the same through men in military uniform and black and white business suits who have acknowldged that getting dirty is neccecery. Why Americans, in their jaded little worlds, allows the hiprocacy of other nations to scoff at them is beyond me.

    Perhaps it's because I've been exposed to this type of thing. Perhaps it's because I've seen prisoners of "war" given to a military friend in Europe to interrogate for us. Perhaps it's because I've seen a friend in Europe betray American forces and thereby the international community (who would later support the removal of Hussein - possibly to make ammends?) Perhaps it's because after 12 years of deciding the fate of a nation and ignoring soveriegnty, the UN only cared about "soveriegnty" when Americn decided that enough was enough. Or perhaps it is simply that I'm not naive enough to believe that freedom, democracy, and our way of life has come because we have asked politely to those, who have their own dastardly agendas in mind, to be nice to us.

    Wake up and stop being stupid.
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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Sept. 11 planner waterboarded 183 times: report


    WASHINGTON (Reuters) Ė CIA interrogators used the waterboarding technique on Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the admitted planner of the September 11 attacks, 183 times and 83 times on another al Qaeda suspect, The New York Times said on Sunday.

    The Times said a 2005 Justice Department memorandum showed that Abu Zubaydah, the first prisoner questioned in the CIA's overseas detention program in August 2002, was waterboarded 83 times, although a former CIA officer had told news media he had been subjected to only 35 seconds underwater before talking.

    Damn looks like the number of times he was water boarded is a thread killer.
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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Sept. 11 planner waterboarded 183 times: report

    Damn looks like the number of times he was water boarded is a thread killer.
    This story is beyond suspect; but isn't it fascinating that the NYT has no curiosity what it means to even make this statement:

    "The Justice Department memo said the simulated drowning technique was used on Mohammed 183 times in March 2003. The Times said some copies of the memos appeared to have the number of weatherboardings redacted while others did not."

    Let's do some simple math to determine the common sense of such idiotic claims; in order to willingly swallow such swill, we would have to believe that Mohammed was water boarded almost 6 times a day.

    Now I am not an expert, but 6 times a day people? This sounds beyond absurd. But on top of this, if someone needs to be water boarded 6 times a day, it is pretty obvious the technique is not working. So in order to also believe this lunatic assertion, one has to also believe that the agents in the CIA are raving morons who don't know when a technique is not working.

    Let's face it folks, the disingenuous lies and distortions that this administration wallows in now suggests that these memos were being released NOT to prosecute, but to inform the American people; what a pile of BS.

    If you are NOT going to prosecute anyone for a crime, why release the memos in the first place? I can tell you why, but I am sure those of you with more than half a brain can figure it out.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Sept. 11 planner waterboarded 183 times: report

    Damn looks like the number of times he was water boarded is a thread killer.
    From the New York Times and their SOURCE of this information:

    The new information on the number of waterboarding episodes came out over the weekend when a number of bloggers, including Marcy Wheeler of the blog emptywheel, discovered it in the May 30, 2005, memo.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/20/wo...oarding&st=cse

    Anyone with a brain has to ask themselves, you're kidding me right NYTimes?

    Whatever happened to HONEST and in depth investigative journalism? Now we are taken un-vetted information from Left Wing bloggers as our news sources?


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    Waterboarding Used 266 Times on 2 Suspects

    The New York Times stoops to a new low level for journalism where it has decided to quote Left Wing blog sites and unsubstantiated anonymous sources as being credible sources for investigative news.

    With the purely partisan political release of CIA memos on water boarding which will serve to weaken our intelligence gathering efforts and make a mockery of the CIA, the New York Times decided that the American public has become so gullible and stupid that they can publish and article that defies logic.

    Just some simple math folks, this article claims that Mohammad was supposedly water boarded 6 times daily for 31 days. Only those willingly suspending common sense can think there is any truth in this report.

    But we should not be surprised with such suspect reporting; after all, the NYTs led the campaign of ignorance against George Bush and the war in Iraq.

    Here are a few pertinent excerpts.

    Waterboarding Used 266 Times on 2 Suspects
    By SCOTT SHANE
    Published: April 19, 2009

    The new information on the number of waterboarding episodes came out over the weekend when a number of bloggers, including Marcy Wheeler of the blog emptywheel, discovered it in the May 30, 2005, memo.

    The Times article, based on information from former intelligence officers who spoke on condition of anonymity, said Abu Zubaydah had revealed a great deal of information before harsh methods were used and after his captors stripped him of clothes, kept him in a cold cell and kept him awake at night.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/20/wo...oarding&st=cse

    The NYTs should not be surprised their readership has declined to precipitously low volume and losing advertising dollars. When you reduce the integrity of your reporting to that of the Star, should anyone be surprised?

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