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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I love watching people make up arguments to support their inane and naive points of view.

    The only ones who are apologizing for what went on are the empty headed Liberal loons in the Democrat party that now infest our Government.

    The only thing more laughable about this idiotic notion about our torturing terrorists is the equally idiotic notion that coddling them will somehow get them to talk.

    I am feeling so much safer now that the secrets are all out for the terrorists and our enemies to see that they will have Constitutional rights and be coddled should they murder more of our citizens.

    Carry on.
    I don't see how you can apply constitutional rights to non-citizens within the context of a war situation. What do you want to do, give enemy soldiers a fair trial before you shoot them? Forbid yourself from jamming their communications transmissions because you're violating their right to free speech? Not disarm them when they're taken into custody so as not to violate their right to bear arms? Get a warrant from a judge before you search them or their property? The rules of war are dictated by international and domestic law, including the constitution, under which neither warfare in general nor these techniques are illegal.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    I don't see how you can apply constitutional rights to non-citizens within the context of a war situation. What do you want to do, give enemy soldiers a fair trial before you shoot them? Forbid yourself from jamming their communications transmissions because you're violating their right to free speech? Not disarm them when they're taken into custody so as not to violate their right to bear arms? Get a warrant from a judge before you search them or their property? The rules of war are dictated by international and domestic law, including the constitution, under which neither warfare in general nor these techniques are illegal.
    I don't either; but we have the ACLU and Liberals desperately trying to grant these terrorists Habeas Corpus.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    To which I would reply that this wasn't torture, hence our troops receive resistance training to these techniques in SERE school. I'm also sorry that you are unable to listen to reason and appreciate the unique challenge posed by this decentralized, transnational, religiously/ideologically hardened, terrorist organization.

    As it stands, these practices are not illegal under international or domestic law. The CIA works at the edge of the law. It's their job to defend our country. The only way to curb it permanently would be to tighten the law, preferably internationally so that it's reciprocated by our potential adversaries.
    Outstanding commentary and sums up the FACTS pretty well in two short paragraphs. Bravo!

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Outstanding commentary and sums up the FACTS pretty well in two short paragraphs. Bravo!
    Tell me how they don't. I'm not too dense to see through your sockpuppet facade.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    blah blah blah. Why don't you just engage in debate like a normal person instead of trying to make your point through Socratic Irony?
    It was an illustration of the absurdity of the “anti-torture argument;” I think you missed the intended irony.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    Tell me how they don't. I'm not too dense to see through your sockpuppet facade.
    Come again? I just complimented you on a well stated comment and you insult me?

    I think you are confused dude.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Come again? I just complimented you on a well stated comment and you insult me?

    I think you are confused dude.
    LOL. I know what you're doing. You dont actually believe the things that you say. You speak in socratic irony. You're pretty smart though. Who are you? Agnapostate?

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Torture doesn't work. It doesn't yield useful information. If you were torturing a terrorist about a ticking bomb, he wouldn't tell you squat.
    This is one of those wonderful bits of rhetoric that gets spread around so fervently that it becomes dogma, and that to even question it becomes, well, suspect.

    Is there a debate about the effectiveness of torture? Of course.

    Is there a debate about what constitutes torture and what constitutes legal interrogation technique? Yes.

    Do we know that useful information can be obtained from legal interrogation? Of course.

    Are some legal interrogation techniques unpleasant? Certainly.

    To say that torture doesn't work, period, is not much more creditable than to say that harsh interrogation techniques don't work, period. Interrogation techniques vary in effectiveness from individual to individual. They may lead to valuable information in some cases and disinformation in others.

    None of this is black and white. But it is tempting to take a very simplistic stand and state emphatically... 'The U.S. doesn't torture.' That's about as compelling a statement as 'You're either with us or you're with the Terrorists.' It's political rhetoric designed to appeal to world opinion.


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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Torture doesn't work. If you were really in the business you would know that.
    Do you have any evidence to prove that claim. Torture does work in certain situations and if done right. And according to the left torture means more than just pulling fingernails. If you think sleep dep and humiliation are not effective tools you dont know what you are talking about.
    Last edited by braindrain; 04-18-09 at 05:04 PM.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out Charging C.I.A. Agents in Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    LOL. I know what you're doing. You dont actually believe the things that you say. You speak in socratic irony. You're pretty smart though. Who are you? Agnapostate?
    I was being quite honest and agree with you on this issue.

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