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    Re: Democrats: Texas gov should disavow secession talk

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    The problem is that it has ignited a segment of the party and the country which won't be dissuaded by a disavowal. He opened Pandora's Box and left it open long enough for some people to be energized by this dangerous idea.

    It was a reckless statement and nothing good will come from it.

    I've lost any faith and respect I may have had for Perry.

    It was like shouting "FIRE" in a crowded theater.

    Not everyone will rush out in a panic and maybe no one will be trampled to death, but the utterance has that potential in these unsettled times.
    It is a Texas thing from Texas folklore.

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    Re: Democrats: Texas gov should disavow secession talk

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    It is a Texas thing from Texas folklore.
    I think Texans and Alaskans get on well because they have similar folklores, as you put it.

    It stems from a great pride in their states having kept their cultures somewhat intact and unique from the rest of the Union along with a can-do attitude and a belief that the people of the state could sustain themselves without the rest of the country.

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    Re: Democrats: Texas gov should disavow secession talk

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    It is a Texas thing from Texas folklore.
    The power of folklore, or fantasy ideology, can't be overlooked. It was the common, unspoken, desire of Italians to regain the dominance of their ancient Roman Empire which fueled Italy's war with Ethiopia in the 1930's.

    In all fantasy ideologies, there is a point at which the make-believe becomes an end in itself. This fact is nowhere more clearly exhibited than in the Italian conquest of Ethiopia.

    Any attempt to see this adventure in Clausewitzian terms is doomed to fail: There was no political or economic advantage whatsoever to be gained from the invasion of Ethiopia. Indeed, the diplomatic disadvantages to Italy in consequence of this action were tremendous, and they were in no way to be compensated for by anything that Italy could hope to gain from possessing Ethiopia as a colony.

    Why invade, then? The answer is quite simple. Ethiopia was a prop a prop in the fantasy pageant of the new Italian Empire that and nothing else. And the war waged in order to win Ethiopia as a colony was not a war in the Clausewitzian sense that is to say, it was not an instrument of political policy designed to induce concessions from Ethiopia, or to get Ethiopia to alter its policies, or even to get Ethiopia to surrender.

    Ethiopia had to be conquered not because it was worth conquering, but because the fascist fantasy ideology required Italy to conquer something and Ethiopia fit the bill. The conquest was not the means to an end, as in Clausewitzian war; it was an end in itself. Or, more correctly, its true purpose was to bolster the fascist collective fantasy that insisted on casting the Italians as a conquering race, the heirs of Imperial Rome.
    Hoover Institution - Policy Review - Al Qaeda's Fantasy Ideology

    Secession, for most of those hoisting it's banner, is nothing but a prop for arguing states rights.

    I get it.

    But what is the cost of fueling this fantasy now?

    Those who stnd under this flimsy looking banner think there is no cost other than to gain attention. Only in the years to come will we see the true cost.

    This is a terrible ploy to use to make the point about state's rights.

    OBL 11/24/02

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    Re: Democrats: Texas gov should disavow secession talk

    Texas doesn't have the truck nuts to seceed. Half it's population will flee if it were to try, it can't compete on a global level with its oil by itself and other than that I don't see what resources it's going to use to drive it's economy as an autonomous country. They are going to be landlocked and cut off from the national grid, so without taxes to support solar heating and hydroelectricity it's not going to have running electricity or useful domestic defenses. The taxation it will require to sustain itself will be higher than it already is now.
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    Re: Democrats: Texas gov should disavow secession talk

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrein View Post
    Texas doesn't have the truck nuts to seceed. Half it's population will flee if it were to try, it can't compete on a global level with its oil by itself and other than that I don't see what resources it's going to use to drive it's economy as an autonomous country. They are going to be landlocked and cut off from the national grid, so without taxes to support solar heating and hydroelectricity it's not going to have running electricity or useful domestic defenses. The taxation it will require to sustain itself will be higher than it already is now.
    Since when was Texas landlocked?

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    Re: Democrats: Texas gov should disavow secession talk

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Since when was Texas landlocked?
    Maybe the liberals will fill in the Gulf of Mexico just to teach Texas a lesson.
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    Re: Democrats: Texas gov should disavow secession talk

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Since when was Texas landlocked?
    Oh nevermind I take that one back lol I am obviously a northerner, I thought from memory that mexico surrounded the gulf or something.

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    Re: Democrats: Texas gov should disavow secession talk

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrein View Post
    Oh nevermind I take that one back lol I am obviously a northerner, I thought from memory that mexico surrounded the gulf or something.
    No problem. It wasn't the worst mistake made around here today. Some brainchild tried to convince me that the Civil War was singularly about slavery earlier.

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    Re: Democrats: Texas gov should disavow secession talk

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No problem. It wasn't the worst mistake made around here today. Some brainchild tried to convince me that the Civil War was singularly about slavery earlier.
    I was never conditioned to see texas as relates outside the US, I thought for minute that texas' southern boarder jutted completely into mexico and louisianna cornered the gulf

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    Re: Democrats: Texas gov should disavow secession talk

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Actually we were a Nation before we became a State. Prior to being an independent nation Texas was a part of Mexico, remember the Alamo?
    I never denied that, but as of April 17th 2009 Texas is an official territory of the United States of America. It has NO international soveriegnty, so the federal government is well within its borders to do as it pleases.
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