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    N.S.A.’s intercepts exceed limits set by Congress

    NYT: NSA intercepts exceed limits set by Congress - The New York Times- msnbc.com

    The National Security Agency intercepted private e-mail messages and phone calls of Americans in recent months on a scale that went beyond the broad legal limits established by Congress last year, government officials said in recent interviews.

    Several intelligence officials, as well as lawyers briefed about the matter, said the N.S.A. had been engaged in “overcollection” of domestic communications of Americans. They described the practice as significant and systemic, although one official said it was believed to have been unintentional.

    The legal and operational problems surrounding the N.S.A.’s surveillance activities have come under scrutiny from the Obama administration, Congressional intelligence committees and a secret national security court, said the intelligence officials, who spoke only on the condition of anonymity because N.S.A. activities are classified. Classified government briefings have been held in recent weeks in response to a brewing controversy that some officials worry could damage the credibility of legitimate intelligence-gathering efforts.
    Not spying on us huh? No domestic spying, everything is ok. Remember that line. So Congress gave the NSA a HUGE parameter space in which to work, and they still exceeded it! This stuff is maybe getting out of hand here, I'm well convinced that the NSA needs to be shut down (though so should the Department of Homeland Security). Any organization outside academia which hires that many PhD mathematicians you know is doing something shady.
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    Re: N.S.A.’s intercepts exceed limits set by Congress

    non story, since it was the Republicans that were in charge, and since they are untouchable.

    On the other hand, how DARE Obama question the NSA.. does Obama hate America?
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    Re: N.S.A.’s intercepts exceed limits set by Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    non story, since it was the Republicans that were in charge, and since they are untouchable.

    On the other hand, how DARE Obama question the NSA.. does Obama hate America?
    uh... Obama is protecting them... by claiming state's secrets on a ton of the stuff that they have.... Just like Bushy did.
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    Re: N.S.A.’s intercepts exceed limits set by Congress

    They described the practice as significant and systemic, although one official said it was believed to have been unintentional.

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    The Justice Department, in response to inquiries from The New York Times, acknowledged Wednesday night that there had been problems with the N.S.A. surveillance operation, but said they had been resolved.

    As part of a periodic review of the agency’s activities, the department “detected issues that raised concerns,” it said. Justice Department officials then “took comprehensive steps to correct the situation and bring the program into compliance” with the law and court orders, the statement said. It added that Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. went to the national security court to seek a renewal of the surveillance program only after new safeguards were put in place.

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    Officials would not discuss details of the overcollection problem because it involves classified intelligence-gathering techniques. But the issue appears focused in part on technical problems in the N.S.A.’s ability at times to distinguish between communications inside the United States and those overseas as it uses its access to American telecommunications companies’ fiber-optic lines and its own spy satellites to intercept millions of calls and e-mail messages.
    This all sounds overblown. I see no reason to believe that the Bush and Obama administrations are conspiring to lie to us and Congress about this.
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    Re: N.S.A.’s intercepts exceed limits set by Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    non story, since it was the Republicans that were in charge, and since they are untouchable.

    On the other hand, how DARE Obama question the NSA.. does Obama hate America?
    This post makes no sense within the context of the story. Did you even read it?
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    Re: N.S.A.’s intercepts exceed limits set by Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    NYT: NSA intercepts exceed limits set by Congress - The New York Times- msnbc.com



    Not spying on us huh? No domestic spying, everything is ok. Remember that line. So Congress gave the NSA a HUGE parameter space in which to work, and they still exceeded it! This stuff is maybe getting out of hand here, I'm well convinced that the NSA needs to be shut down (though so should the Department of Homeland Security). Any organization outside academia which hires that many PhD mathematicians you know is doing something shady.
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    Re: N.S.A.’s intercepts exceed limits set by Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    This all sounds overblown. I see no reason to believe that the Bush and Obama administrations are conspiring to lie to us and Congress about this.
    Perhaps they are looking for all them "right" wing extremists?

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    Re: N.S.A.’s intercepts exceed limits set by Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    This all sounds overblown. I see no reason to believe that the Bush and Obama administrations are conspiring to lie to us and Congress about this.
    I find it a bit hard to swallow that it was a "mistake" or a "glitch". One that resulted in more spying and collection of communications which was exactly what the government wanted. Most of the time, mistakes and glitches don't end up being advantageous.
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    Re: N.S.A.’s intercepts exceed limits set by Congress

    Lincoln suspended Habeus Corpus.
    FDR forced all Japanese Americans to go to concentration camps.
    Bush and Obama spied on people who they thought could be terrorists.

    Let's keep things in perspective here.

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    Re: N.S.A.’s intercepts exceed limits set by Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Lincoln suspended Habeus Corpus.
    FDR forced all Japanese Americans to go to concentration camps.
    Bush and Obama spied on people who they thought could be terrorists.

    Let's keep things in perspective here.
    So you're saying because Presidents have acted improperly in the past and have abused power, that future abuses of power are excusable? I find that a rather interesting outlook.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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