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    Re: Ron Paul: Bring back private pirate hunters

    Quote Originally Posted by thabigred View Post
    mer·ce·nar·y (mūrs-nr)
    adj.
    1. Motivated solely by a desire for monetary or material gain.
    2. Hired for service in a foreign army.

    Mercenaries are people contracted out by militaries to do jobs the military would normally do. A mercenary could be pealing patatos for all the definition is worth.

    We really don't need to get into semantics. The French Foreign Legion is a mercinary army, every person in that army is a mercenary. Even the engineers and other military personnel that rarely see combat.


    1. talk to any blackwater, ageis or other contractor and ask them if there "sole" desire is for monetary gain.

    2. Contractors by definition are contracted to perform support functions not in a foreign army but as an adjunct to their local countries military.
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    Re: Ron Paul: Bring back private pirate hunters

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    1. talk to any blackwater, ageis or other contractor and ask them if there "sole" desire is for monetary gain.

    2. Contractors by definition are contracted to perform support functions not in a foreign army but as an adjunct to their local countries military.
    Are we really going to get into semantics?

    A person who lives in the Roman empire, when I believe the word was coined, could be contracted to fight along side the roman army and do jobs for the army.

    Mercinaries are contractors. You are trying to disenfranchise the word mercinary from organizations like blackwater, the fact being that every large country has employed mercinary services like blackwater or ageis. Blackwater is the modern day Gurkhas.

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigade_of_Gurkhas]Brigade of Gurkhas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
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    Re: Ron Paul: Bring back private pirate hunters

    Quote Originally Posted by thabigred View Post
    Are we really going to get into semantics?

    this is not semantics. Mercenaries worked for foreign governments in the Rhodesian war for example.

    These are government contractors working is support roles up to VIP protection for the US government.

    There is a stark difference. The media and the left use the term "mercenary" to besmirch these Americans.

    A person who lives in the Roman empire, when I believe the word was coined, could be contracted to fight along side the roman army and do jobs for the army.

    Mercinaries are contractors. You are trying to disenfranchise the word mercinary from organizations like blackwater, the fact being that every large country has employed mercinary services like blackwater or ageis. Blackwater is the modern day Gurkhas.

    Brigade of Gurkha - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Actually nothing alike at all.


    That is more like the french foreign legion if anything.



    contractors work in support roles, not combat roles.
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    Re: Ron Paul: Bring back private pirate hunters

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    this is not semantics. Mercenaries worked for foreign governments in the Rhodesian war for example.

    These are government contractors working is support roles up to VIP protection for the US government.

    There is a stark difference. The media and the left use the term "mercenary" to besmirch these Americans.

    Actually nothing alike at all.

    That is more like the french foreign legion if anything.

    contractors work in support roles, not combat roles.
    Mercenary means "work for a wage".

    You are trying to change the definition of the word, because Mercenary has somehow become this devilish term. Probably from all the wars in Africa where mercenary armies were sent int to fight in conflicts for oppressive governments I guess.

    Contractors are mercenaries, a mercenaries do not have to come from foreign lands, a contractor by definition is a mercenary.

    As a result of the assumption that a mercenary is essentially motivated by money, the term "mercenary" usually carries negative connotations, though that can be a compliment in some contexts. There is a blur in the distinction between a "mercenary" and a "foreign volunteer", when the primary motive of a soldier in a foreign army is uncertain. For instance, the French Foreign Legion and the Gurkhas are not mercenaries under the laws of war, since although they may meet many of the requirements of Article 47 of the 1949 Additional Protocol I, they are exempt under clauses 47(a)(c)(d)(e)&(f); some journalists describe them as mercenaries regardless.
    "I would like to have the largest, most professional private army in the world."

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    There is nothing wrong with Blackwater being mercenaries, just as long as they follow protocol.

    We would do a lot of good to employ blackwater to protect our ships.
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    Re: Ron Paul: Bring back private pirate hunters

    Blackwater gunmen killed 17 innocent people at a traffic circle in Baghdad, they obviously don't have the discipline to be allowed carte blanche to hunt pirates

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    Re: Ron Paul: Bring back private pirate hunters

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Blackwater gunmen killed 17 innocent people at a traffic circle in Baghdad, they obviously don't have the discipline to be allowed carte blanche to hunt pirates
    Thats why the military dropped them, what I am saying is a private company like blackwater would be a good fit to protect our ships.
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    Re: Ron Paul: Bring back private pirate hunters

    Quote Originally Posted by thabigred View Post
    Mercenary means "work for a wage".

    You are trying to change the definition of the word, because Mercenary has somehow become this devilish term. Probably from all the wars in Africa where mercenary armies were sent int to fight in conflicts for oppressive governments I guess.

    Contractors are mercenaries, a mercenaries do not have to come from foreign lands, a contractor by definition is a mercenary.



    "I would like to have the largest, most professional private army in the world."

    Gary Jackson, president of Blackwater USA

    There is nothing wrong with Blackwater being mercenaries, just as long as they follow protocol.
    we disagree, and thats fine. if you ever run into a contractor ask them how they feel about that term.


    We would do a lot of good to employ blackwater to protect our ships.


    100% agreed.
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    Re: Ron Paul: Bring back private pirate hunters

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Blackwater gunmen killed 17 innocent people at a traffic circle in Baghdad, they obviously don't have the discipline to be allowed carte blanche to hunt pirates



    you gotta love it when people attack a whole group for the actions of a select few.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/03/wo...firefight.html

    As the gunfire continued, at least one of the Blackwater guards began screaming, “No! No! No!” and gesturing to his colleagues to stop shooting, according to an Iraqi lawyer who was stuck in traffic and was shot in the back as he tried to flee. The account of the struggle among the Blackwater guards corroborates preliminary findings of the American investigation.
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    Re: Ron Paul: Bring back private pirate hunters

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    we disagree, and thats fine. if you ever run into a contractor ask them how they feel about that term.
    A janitor when asked feels the inclination to say they are a sanitation engineer, Mercenary is a taboo word I guess.
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    Re: Ron Paul: Bring back private pirate hunters

    Quote Originally Posted by thabigred View Post
    A janitor when asked feels the inclination to say they are a sanitation engineer, Mercenary is a taboo word I guess.


    It has a different and negative connotation than private military contractor, or PMC.

    Compare them to the mercenaries in Rhodesia to thier support roles in the Iraq war.
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