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    Re: Ron Paul: Bring back private pirate hunters

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    In the case of protecting merchant ships, how does "armed private security" get turned into "mercenary"?



    Clearly, the pirates thrive because they know they can operate with impunity -- no one will shoot back.
    Shooting back will change this.
    I understand that. I'm just saying, that if the payment of the privateers comes from the US government, then they are essentially mercenaries. I have no problem, either way, although I'd prefer that ships be able to arm themselves. But people seem to be fine with hiring out private enterprise to protect American interests at sea, and had a huge problem with hiring out private enterprise to protect American interests on the ground.
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    Re: Ron Paul: Bring back private pirate hunters

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    I'm reposting this, as it might get buried in that gun talk on the other page. I would like to know the answer to this.....
    I’m not one to think of hired Mercenaries as a travesty, but the situation is still Apples and oranges

    It is the difference between offering a reward for coming up with a new clean energy solution verses employing a million people and paying them a salary in hopes that they find a clean energy solution.

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    Re: Ron Paul: Bring back private pirate hunters

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    I understand that. I'm just saying, that if the payment of the privateers comes from the US government, then they are essentially mercenaries. I have no problem, either way, although I'd prefer that ships be able to arm themselves. But people seem to be fine with hiring out private enterprise to protect American interests at sea, and had a huge problem with hiring out private enterprise to protect American interests on the ground.
    Seems to me that private enterprise could do this without the sanction of the US government. Create a company that escorts merchantmen with armed boats of whatever type. The shipping companies then contract with these companies for whatever service they deem necessary.

    No need for this to be done under US law, or with any 'permission' from the government, and I dont think the US goverment coud do anything about it.

    Heck, if I had the money, I'd do it.

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    Re: Ron Paul: Bring back private pirate hunters

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Oh look how shocked I am. look up I started a thread on the topic. Come by when you want to engage instead of bait.....
    Asking someone to back up their claim is now baiting



    Anyway as requested, What do you think about privateers, do you think that this is the right solution?


    I support Obama and the admin's position that this may be the right thing to do.... However like Crip is alluding to, I'd like to expand:


    I support whatever works including sniper bullets to eradicate these vermin.

    "On Monday, Obama struck back. "Now, let me be clear: I actually introduced legislation in the Senate before Senator Clinton even mentioned this that said we had to crack down on private contractors like Blackwater because I don't believe that they should be able to run amok and put our own troops in danger, get paid three or four times or ten times what our soldiers are getting paid. I am the one who has been opposed to those operators. Senator Clinton is a late comer to that. But you know this is what happens during political season and I understand it."

    Jeremy Scahill: Hillary vs. Obama: Who Is Better on Blackwater?


    So contractors are now good? Don't get me wrong, I applaud the admin in suggesting thier use, but isn't this divergent from his position on contractors?
    I don't see a conflict seeing that shipping companies are private businesses and that we are not war with Somalia. However I do support whatever it takes to rid the seas of these vermin.

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    Re: Ron Paul: Bring back private pirate hunters

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    All we ever heard from alot of people, regarding the use of mercenaries in Iraq, was that it was wrong. Several times in fact, people bitched about the use of mercenaries. So why is it ok now, in this instance, on the seas, but when its on ground all of the sudden its a travesty?

    I'm not necessarily against the idea myself. I never have been. I'm just wondering where the difference lies?
    Merc's are being used on land, just in different ways than you might think.

    We are teaching and training locals to work along side us, which in Iraq and Afghanistan have been the only true ways throughout the most rescent centuries, to effectively undergo military action in middle east.

    I think people have a sqewed perception of practical mercinaries like the one the US uses now, and one an army mercinaries you see in pop-culture.



    ^are those the type you were speaking of?

    If those are the case, they are not are not something any military other than than the French, if memory serves me right, take advantage of.

    If America were to take advantage of those kind of personnel, a new branch would be needed to accomodate.
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    Re: Ron Paul: Bring back private pirate hunters

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Asking someone to back up their claim is now baiting

    Nope, ignoring the point to concentrate on something irrelevant then stating you won't address the actual point is, however, baiting.



    Come on over to that thread I started. I'd love to hear your input.





    I support whatever works including sniper bullets to eradicate these vermin.



    I don't see a conflict seeing that shipping companies are private businesses and that we are not war with Somalia. However I do support whatever it takes to rid the seas of these vermin.

    So if we were at war with somalia, it would be different? how?
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    Re: Ron Paul: Bring back private pirate hunters

    Quote Originally Posted by thabigred View Post
    Merc's are being used on land, just in different ways than you might think.

    We are teaching and training locals to work along side us, which in Iraq and Afghanistan have been the only true ways throughout the most rescent centuries, to effectively undergo military action in middle east.

    I think people have a sqewed perception of practical mercinaries like the one the US uses now, and one an army mercinaries you see in pop-culture.



    ^are those the type you were speaking of?

    If those are the case, they are not are not something any military other than than the French, if memory serves me right, take advantage of.

    If America were to take advantage of those kind of personnel, a new branch would be needed to accomodate.


    Private contractors are NOT mercenaries.
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    Re: Ron Paul: Bring back private pirate hunters

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    In the case of protecting merchant ships, how does "armed private security" get turned into "mercenary"?
    That's the euphemism we use these days because we think mercenaries are dirty pool. Blackwater was providing "armed private security" in Iraq.

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    Re: Ron Paul: Bring back private pirate hunters

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    All we ever heard from alot of people, regarding the use of mercenaries in Iraq, was that it was wrong. Several times in fact, people bitched about the use of mercenaries. So why is it ok now, in this instance, on the seas, but when its on ground all of the sudden its a travesty?

    I'm not necessarily against the idea myself. I never have been. I'm just wondering where the difference lies?
    Actually that seems backwards to me. It's a travesty in this case (because we'd just be replacing Somali pirates with American pirates), whereas it was quite useful in Iraq as long as the mercenaries were kept on a short leash.
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    Re: Ron Paul: Bring back private pirate hunters

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Private contractors are NOT mercenaries.
    mer·ce·nar·y (mūrs-nr)
    adj.
    1. Motivated solely by a desire for monetary or material gain.
    2. Hired for service in a foreign army.

    Mercenaries are people contracted out by militaries to do jobs the military would normally do. A mercenary could be pealing patatos for all the definition is worth.

    We really don't need to get into semantics. The French Foreign Legion is a mercinary army, every person in that army is a mercenary. Even the engineers and other military personnel that rarely see combat.
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