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    Re: Federal agency warns of radicals on right

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    Listen, the DHS is essentially a domestic intelligence organization. It's growing into the "eyes and ears" of the government. It is constitutionally and morally illegitimate. We need to get rid of it before it's too late.
    Maybe so, but that doesn't detract from my point that the report that was given in the OP doesn't say the things that many people are asserting that it does.

    What I find particularly ironic and hilarious is that a lot of people on the right seemed to have no problem with the DHS when Bush was President.
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    Re: Federal agency warns of radicals on right

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Maybe so, but that doesn't detract from my point that the report that was given in the OP doesn't say the things that many people are asserting that it does.

    What I find particularly ironic and hilarious is that a lot of people on the right seemed to have no problem with the DHS when Bush was President.
    At least one law suit has been launched to discover the source data of these seemingly baseless claims.

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    Re: Federal agency warns of radicals on right

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    But you have no reason to believe that they will other than your own paranoia. I don't trust the government, but I think it's absurd that they would actually go after these groups when there is absolutely no indication that they would.



    It points them out as potential recruitment targets for these extremist groups. That's it. Do you disagree that these extremist groups would be on the lookout for veterans to recruit considering their skills and experience?
    The indication is the report itself! Why write it unless there is a purpose for including such broad, general statements?

    And as for the Veterans--it ALSO suggests they could be "Lone Wolf" types. It's not just to watch for recruitment--it is suspicion.

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    Re: Federal agency warns of radicals on right

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    It doesn't mean they won't either. It paves the way for justifying unwarranted intrusion upon our freedoms and puts a chill on the free exercise of our 1st amendment rights for fear it may label us as "extremist."


    It is too vague. It is paranoia--in the tradition of the founders.
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    I am for a government rigorously frugal and simple. Were we directed from Washington when to sow, when to reap, we should soon want bread.

    The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all. I like a little rebellion now and then.

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    I CAN'T IMAGINE HOW YOU DON'T SEE THAT IT POINTS OUT AND NAMES VETERANS AS POTENTIAL (sorry 'bout caps, just noticed) terrorists. That is indeed what the document presents.



    hey you! stop quoting those extremists!
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    Re: Federal agency warns of radicals on right

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    The indication is the report itself! Why write it unless there is a purpose for including such broad, general statements?
    Reports like that always contain broad statements.

    And as for the Veterans--it ALSO suggests they could be "Lone Wolf" types.
    And they very well could be. Veterans come from all walks of life and have varied personalities just like normal people do.

    It's not just to watch for recruitment--it is suspicion.
    Prove it then. Show me the specific statement in the report that says Veterans are under suspicion.

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    Re: Federal agency warns of radicals on right

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Reports like that always contain broad statements.

    Blacks may become disgruntled and riot.


    And they very well could be. Veterans come from all walks of life and have varied personalities just like normal people do.

    Each recruit goes through a psych exam and to have the dicipline to last 4 years in a structured society, tends to weed out the nuts. so you not completley accurate here.




    Prove it then. Show me the specific statement in the report that says Veterans are under suspicion.


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    Re: Federal agency warns of radicals on right

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Blacks may become disgruntled and riot.
    What is your point? This has nothing to do with the topic at hand. If this were discussing a racial issue I could certainly see how that would be a valid statement.

    Each recruit goes through a psych exam and to have the dicipline to last 4 years in a structured society, tends to weed out the nuts. so you not completley accurate here.
    My point is that they are human beings too and capable of the same things that normal people are.

    When I see a black man come into my shop, I get nervous, cause you know blacks potentially might rob me.
    Which addresses my point how? Race has absolutely zero to do with this. Please try to stay on topic.

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    Re: Federal agency warns of radicals on right

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Blacks may become disgruntled and riot.





    Each recruit goes through a psych exam and to have the dicipline to last 4 years in a structured society, tends to weed out the nuts. so you not completley accurate here.






    When I see a black man come into my shop, I get nervous, cause you know blacks potentially might rob me.
    The subtlety of your irony may be lost on some.

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    Re: Federal agency warns of radicals on right

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    hey you! stop quoting those extremists!
    I'm going to vote for Samuel Adams Extremist Lager.

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    Re: Federal agency warns of radicals on right

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    What is your point? This has nothing to do with the topic at hand. If this were discussing a racial issue I could certainly see how that would be a valid statement.

    You don't see that pointing out a group, stereotyping is related? Seriously?


    My point is that they are human beings too and capable of the same things that normal people are.

    And I beat that point like a mule my friend. They are LESS likely that society as a whole because they are screened and weeded out. This does not happen in mortal aka civillian life.






    Which addresses my point how? Race has absolutely zero to do with this. Please try to stay on topic.


    I am. stereotyping vets is wrong, as wrong as stereotyping blacks.

    Wanna do the jews next?
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