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    Re: Federal agency warns of radicals on right

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    The key word here is may. It doesn't say that it does include these groups. Are you going to tell me that there aren't extremist anti-abortion and anti-immigration groups out there?
    So it says may. Hey man--it says MAY!

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    Re: Federal agency warns of radicals on right

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    So it says may. Hey man--it says MAY!
    Yeah which means that your assertions are incorrect.

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    Re: Federal agency warns of radicals on right

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Yeah which means that your assertions are incorrect.
    NRL fits the definition...it is a single issue group opposed to abortion. It MAY be considered an extremist group by that definition. I don't get what you're arguing here--it's right there in black print! It IS a footnote defining the meaning they intend.

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    Re: Federal agency warns of radicals on right

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    It MAY be considered an extremist group by that definition.
    I think the more important question here then is... is it then? Out of curiosity, anyone here compared the language used in this report to the one released, IIRC, about a month earlier on left-wing extremists? I do remember that it included some notes on eco-terrorists and stuff like that.
    ...we honor leaders for what they achieve, but we often prefer to close our eyes to the way they achieve it...

    In the real world, politics is compromise and democracy is politics. Anyone who would be a statesman has to be a successful politician first. Also, a leader has to deal with people and nations as they are, not as they should be. As a result, the qualities required for leadership are not necessary those that we would want our children to emulate - unless we wanted them to be leaders.

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    Re: Federal agency warns of radicals on right

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    NRL fits the definition...it is a single issue group opposed to abortion. It MAY be considered an extremist group by that definition. I don't get what you're arguing here--it's right there in black print! It IS a footnote defining the meaning they intend.
    It fits the definition of a single issue group. You asserted earlier that it fit the definition of an extremist group according to this report. That assertion is wrong because it says that extremist groups may include single issue groups such as anti-abortion and anti-immigration groups. There's a world of difference between what you were asserting earlier and what you are saying in this post.

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    Re: Federal agency warns of radicals on right

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    It fits the definition of a single issue group. You asserted earlier that it fit the definition of an extremist group according to this report. That assertion is wrong because it says that extremist groups may include single issue groups such as anti-abortion and anti-immigration groups. There's a world of difference between what you were asserting earlier and what you are saying in this post.
    Why would they not use "may?" If you're always trying to cover your ass (as politicians are wont to do), wouldn't leaving it open like that be the way to go? If they don't consider the NRL an extremist group, why not be specific and name the groups they think are?

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    Re: Federal agency warns of radicals on right

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    It fits the definition of a single issue group. You asserted earlier that it fit the definition of an extremist group according to this report. That assertion is wrong because it says that extremist groups may include single issue groups such as anti-abortion and anti-immigration groups. There's a world of difference between what you were asserting earlier and what you are saying in this post.
    No--I'm saying this document pommulgates a definition of "extremist groups" that can include NRL and the like.

    The definition in the footnote is to clarify what is extremist. Yes--it says "may"--are we not to be suspicious of the govenment and follow blindly like sheep? "May" is a very dangerous word.

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    Re: Federal agency warns of radicals on right

    Quote Originally Posted by don'ttreadonme View Post
    Why would they not use "may?" If you're always trying to cover your ass (as politicians are wont to do), wouldn't leaving it open like that be the way to go? If they don't consider the NRL an extremist group, why not be specific and name the groups they think are?
    Because groups continue to change, shift around, etc. And you are right, these documents do contain very general language. My argument is that Felicity's previous assertion of the NRL being considered an extremist organization simply because it's a single issue group is wrong.

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    Re: Federal agency warns of radicals on right

    Quote Originally Posted by 7thKeeper View Post
    I think the more important question here then is... is it then? Out of curiosity, anyone here compared the language used in this report to the one released, IIRC, about a month earlier on left-wing extremists? I do remember that it included some notes on eco-terrorists and stuff like that.
    Link? I'd like to see it.

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    Re: Federal agency warns of radicals on right

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Because groups continue to change, shift around, etc. And you are right, these documents do contain very general language. My argument is that Felicity's previous assertion of the NRL being considered an extremist organization simply because it's a single issue group is wrong.
    Weren't they specific with left-wing groups?

    The vague wording is purposeful and I agree with Felicity here (not surprisingly). The point of that wording is to cast a huge net.

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