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    Re: Federal agency warns of radicals on right

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    I participate in "right wing extremism" because I belong to National Right to Life? --a single issue group opposed to abortion-- ...And Homeland Security "'will be working with its state and local partners over the next several months' to gather information on 'rightwing extremist activity in the United States.'"

    In other words, gather information on people like me? What country do we live in?
    WTF? That's not right. The NRL is not an extremist group. I have given money to them and you know I wouldn't support an extremist group.

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    Re: Homeland Security Warns of Rise in Right-Wing Extremism

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    The MIAC report insinuated that "terrorists" are likely to support third party candidates like Libertarians, Constitutionalists, etc. A coalition of third party candidates and people named directly in the report threatened a lawsuit and the government of Missouri issued an apology. Even in spite of the apology, it's disturbing because it indicates the thinking of the "analysts" and LE officers who put the report together and perhaps a systemic problem.

    This report is even more disturbing because instead of referencing organizations, it makes reference to abstract ideas such as being opposed to diminished national sovereignty, being against illegal immigration, being opposed to abortion, etc.

    Having said all that, I actually agree with some of the text of the report. Having grown up among the right-wing movement, I can say that there is a very real chance that some nutjob will do something crazy and cause a real catastrophe.

    However, a large part of this report is total crap. I'd like so see some specificity to these vague and seemingly baseless claims. I'd like some clarification on passages such as this one:



    I'd like a clear definition of "right-wing extremist" and I'd also why to know why "right-wing extremist" and "law-abiding Americans" are mutually exclusive.

    And this one:



    Why is it just to "social programs to minorities" and not "social programs" in general? This report seems to conflate right-wing movements with racist movements. Isn't this kind of politically charged outreach exactly what the left calls "community organizing?"



    Co-opt the debate? What does this even mean?

    This is just the beginning. There's a lot of crap in there. Read for yourself:

    http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/..._extremism.pdf
    I agree that it is somewhat disturbing, but I still fail to see any connection between that report and the one in this story. Perhaps the MIAC do consider people who support 3rd party candidates to be more prone to terrorism, but that means nothing. It makes sense that a terrorist organization wouldn't subscribe to a normal politically ideology, but as you said it should have clarified more.

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    Re: Homeland Security Warns of Rise in Right-Wing Extremism

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    I agree that it is somewhat disturbing, but I still fail to see any connection between that report and the one in this story. Perhaps the MIAC do consider people who support 3rd party candidates to be more prone to terrorism, but that means nothing. It makes sense that a terrorist organization wouldn't subscribe to a normal politically ideology, but as you said it should have clarified more.
    This is the connection:

    Hotz said MIAC, which opened in 2005, is a “fusion center” that combines resources from the federal Department of Homeland Security and other agencies. It was set up to collect local intelligence to better combat terrorism and other criminal activity, he said.
    ?Fusion center? data draws fire over assertions | The Columbia Daily Tribune - Columbia, MO

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    Re: Federal agency warns of radicals on right

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    WTF? That's not right. The NRL is not an extremist group. I have given money to them and you know I wouldn't support an extremist group.
    According to this document--NRL fits the definition.

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    Re: Homeland Security Warns of Rise in Right-Wing Extremism

    Resources, but not assertions. They came up with those assertions on their own.

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    Re: Federal agency warns of radicals on right

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    According to this document--NRL fits the definition.
    How does NRL fit the definition?

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    Re: Homeland Security Warns of Rise in Right-Wing Extremism

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Resources, but not assertions. They came up with those assertions on their own.
    Resources like "information" and "analysis." My guess is that DHS is the guiding hand of the "fusion centers."

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    Re: Federal agency warns of radicals on right

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    How does NRL fit the definition?
    Footnote on page 2 of 9

    * (U) Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and
    adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups),
    and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or
    rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a
    single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration
    .





    And as I said--Texas is in trouble due to the sentence preceding the one in bold.
    Last edited by Felicity; 04-16-09 at 05:26 PM.

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    Re: Homeland Security Warns of Rise in Right-Wing Extremism

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    Resources like "information" and "analysis." My guess is that DHS is the guiding hand of the "fusion centers."
    All we know is that they got resources from the DHS, there is no proof to suggest they got more.

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    Re: Federal agency warns of radicals on right

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    Footnote on page 2 of 9

    * (U) Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and
    adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups),
    and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or
    rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a
    single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration
    .





    And as I said--Texas is in trouble due to the sentence preceding the one in bold.
    The key word here is may. It doesn't say that it does include these groups. Are you going to tell me that there aren't extremist anti-abortion and anti-immigration groups out there?

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