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    Re: [NY Gov.] Will Introduce Same-Sex Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    If a given piece of marital legislation doesn't have the improvement of marriage as it's goal, I have no intention of supporting it.
    It was never meant to improve marriage. It was meant to expand the state recognition of marriage to another social group.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    No, equality is not a factor. It never was.
    Equality is the main factor. People that want to live a specific lifestyle don't have the same state recognized ability as someone that chooses different lifestyle.


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    Gay-marriage is not a civil rights issue.
    Homosexual couples are looking for the same legal and social rights as heterosexual couples. To have their union be state recognized.
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    Re: [NY Gov.] Will Introduce Same-Sex Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post

    Equality is the main factor. People that want to live a specific lifestyle don't have the same state recognized ability as someone that chooses different lifestyle.
    Equality can be quite vague and hard to define in such specific cases, it certainly is in this case where it is far from a blanket issue of "equal rights". Homosexuals have equal rights to marry someone of the opposite sex, they want equal rights to marry someone of the same sex. Both situations are equal, equality is not some simple thing and generalised calls for it can be dangerous.
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    Governor to Submit Bill Legalizing Gay Marriage

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/15/ny...rriage.html?em

    Gov. David A. Paterson plans to introduce legislation on Thursday to make marriage between same-sex couples legal in New York, advancing his push for greater rights for gay men and lesbians, at a time when other states have done so.
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    Mr. Patersonís plans represent the most public effort yet by the governor, who has been a consistent supporter of gay rights, to position himself and New York at the crest of a broadening national movement.

    The move allows him to lead on an issue that could prove defining in his governorship, which has so far been marked by political missteps and the crumbling economy.

    If I recall correctly, RightAtNyc had a thread about the proposal.

    This takes spine.
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    Re: Governor to Submit Bill Legalizing Gay Marriage

    Why does it take spine for an unpopular appointed governer who has no chance of being re-elected to do this?
    Let evil swiftly befall those who have wrongly condemned us

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    Re: Governor to Submit Bill Legalizing Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Why does it take spine for an unpopular appointed governer who has no chance of being re-elected to do this?
    Still could promote widely popular legislation so he doesn't tea-bagged whenever he goes home.
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    Re: [NY Gov.] Will Introduce Same-Sex Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    The right solution is:
    ....for gays to stop pursuing marriage or civil unions in any way.

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    Re: Governor to Submit Bill Legalizing Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Still could promote widely popular legislation so he doesn't tea-bagged whenever he goes home.
    uhm I am not sure what you are saying here. I do no it's not an answer to my question:


    Why does it take spine for an unpopular appointed governor who has no chance of being re-elected to do this?
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    Re: [NY Gov.] Will Introduce Same-Sex Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    ....for gays to stop pursuing marriage or civil unions in any way.
    Sucks to be in the minority, doesn't it?
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    Re: [NY Gov.] Will Introduce Same-Sex Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    It was never meant to improve marriage.
    Then I have no interest in supporting it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    It was meant to expand the state recognition of marriage to another social group.
    Since expanding marriage to that social group in no way improves marriage, I see no reason to support doing so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Equality is the main factor.
    Equality is not a factor at all, in any way what so ever. Gay marriage is not a civil rights issue. It never was.

    I donít see why this is so hard to understand. SCOTUS even ruled that women did not in fact have the right to vote, and so no claim of discrimination was valid. An amendment had to be made in order to ***create*** a womanís right to vote, but before that point Ďa womanís right to voteí was not a civil rights issue either.

    You can have a valid argument for the creation of gay-marriage while gay-marriage is not a civil rights issue. I have no respect for any pro-gm argument which insists that gay-marriage is about equality because all such arguments are ignorant of the law the history of the US.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Homosexual couples are looking for the same legal and social rights as heterosexual couples. To have their union be state recognized.
    "Social rights"? WTF is are those?

    There are "Basic Human Rights" (Fundimental rights) which even illegal aliens have, like the right to breath, and there are "Civil Rights" which only Citizens, like the right to vote.

    There are no such "social rights" in the law and no court can give a remedy for any sociological inequality.

    But thank you for pointing out that this is a sociological battle, thereby demolishing any notion that marriage is merely a "strictly legal contract".
    Last edited by Jerry; 04-16-09 at 04:41 PM.

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    Re: [NY Gov.] Will Introduce Same-Sex Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Sucks to be in the minority, doesn't it?
    It sure does. I wish more people could make clear posts like I can.

    I further wish the Mod team would live up this "higher standard" they're supposed to, because then you might bother placing some substance or at least minimal effort into your average post, but then again, expecting people to follow their own rules is a minority view on this board, and I AM in the minority, as you pointed out.

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