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Thread: Gov. Perry Backs Resolution Affirming Texas’ Sovereignty Under 10th Amendment

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    Re: Gov. Perry Backs Resolution Affirming Texas’ Sovereignty Under 10th Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Over the long run it would be the US that loses out considering we are the only red state that contributes more in federal taxes than we get back. FYI many around here consider me liberal.
    Well you can ignore all that EVERY state gets in support from the federal government if you want. Besides funding there is planning and development... Here are just the "A"s (I removed the state specific like the Alabama website)
    * Administration for Children and Families (ACF)
    * Administration for Native Americans
    * Administration on Aging (AoA)
    * Administration on Developmental Disabilities
    * Administrative Committee of the Federal Register
    * Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts
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    * Agency for International Development
    * Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry
    * Agricultural Marketing Service
    * Agricultural Research Service
    * Agriculture Department (USDA)
    * Air Force
    * Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau (Treasury)
    * Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives Bureau (Justice)
    * American Battle Monuments Commission
    * American Forces Information Service
    * American Samoa Home Page
    * AMTRAK (National Railroad Passenger Corporation)
    * Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service
    * Architectural and Transportation Barriers Compliance Board (Access Board)
    * Archives (National Archives and Records Administration)
    * Armed Forces Retirement Home
    * Arms Control and International Security
    * Army
    * Army Corps of Engineers
    * Arthritis and Musculoskeletal Interagency Coordinating Committee

    I think maybe you don't actually realize how much EVERY State relies on the fed. But you're free to ignore all that and claim that the rest of the country would beg Tejas to come back.

    A-Z Index of U.S. Government Departments and Agencies (A): USA.gov

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    Re: Gov. Perry Backs Resolution Affirming Texas’ Sovereignty Under 10th Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Well you can ignore all that EVERY state gets in support from the federal government if you want. Besides funding there is planning and development... Here are just the "A"s (I removed the state specific like the Alabama website)
    Who pays for all those wonderful assistances and agencies?

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    Re: Gov. Perry Backs Resolution Affirming Texas’ Sovereignty Under 10th Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Who pays for all those wonderful assistances and agencies?
    Doesn't matter because Tejas wouldn't get them. I think it's VERY intellectually honest to ignore the truth about what would happen to Tejas in favor of flailing about like a fish out of water.

    The Tejas economy would turn to **** long before the actual secession would take place as the smart people would be exiting ASAP.

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    Re: Gov. Perry Backs Resolution Affirming Texas’ Sovereignty Under 10th Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Doesn't matter because Tejas wouldn't get them. I think it's VERY intellectually honest to ignore the truth about what would happen to Tejas in favor of flailing about like a fish out of water.

    The Tejas economy would turn to **** long before the actual secession would take place as the smart people would be exiting ASAP.
    It does matter.

    Ultimately, taxpayers fund all these wonderful things. A state which secedes loses these agencies and their presumed benefits....but that state's citizens gain by the taxes they no longer send to the Federal government.

    This is even presuming that the agencies you cited provide meaningful benefit to a state. Several of those agencies arguably provide nothing of value to any state.

    As for the Texas economy cratering because of a mass exodus of people.....if secession were to occur today, that is likely to be the case: 75% of Texans are opposed to secession. Should that percentage ever turn in favor of secession, that argument necessarily becomes suspect because the mass exodus in question becomes unlikely--people aren't going to vote to secede from the US then rush to move to the US.

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    Re: Gov. Perry Backs Resolution Affirming Texas’ Sovereignty Under 10th Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    It does matter.

    Ultimately, taxpayers fund all these wonderful things. A state which secedes loses these agencies and their presumed benefits....but that state's citizens gain by the taxes they no longer send to the Federal government.
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    You act as if the money you spend in taxes would be put to better use if there were no government providing services using your taxes. You can't possibly be that dense.

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    Re: Gov. Perry Backs Resolution Affirming Texas’ Sovereignty Under 10th Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    You act as if the money you spend in taxes would be put to better use if there were no government providing services using your taxes. You can't possibly be that dense.
    Dense would be arguing from the presumption that government-provided services are inherently beneficial and not detrimental.

    Dense would be arguing that the removal of federal agencies from the lives of citizens is a loss with no compensatory benefit.

    Dense would be arguing that states cannot sustain themselves without the putative benevolence of Washington, DC.

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    Re: Gov. Perry Backs Resolution Affirming Texas’ Sovereignty Under 10th Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    You act as if the money you spend in taxes would be put to better use if there were no government providing services using your taxes. You can't possibly be that dense.
    Who, other than actual anarchists, argues for "no government services"? (And even some of the anarchists are wishy-washy on the point, but that's a different discussion.)
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    Re: Gov. Perry Backs Resolution Affirming Texas’ Sovereignty Under 10th Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    What do you do with retarded people who are proven dangerous then? Use harsh language? Lock them up in a mental institution perhaps... not much better than prison, but a better chance to be released or escape, and to perhaps kill again.

    There are degrees of retardation and different types of intellectual disability --- some don't know right from wrong, but most do. It's not all black and white, and its not quite that simple.
    1.) If a person has an IQ below 70, they are considered retarded and are NOT responsible for their actions.

    2.) The best option is to put these people in a high security mental health facility.

    3.) You mindless nonsense about escaping is just prattle and scare tactics. They do not escape and the do not get ass-raped by bubba because they are in a MENTAL HEALTH FACILITY.

    4.) Quit making excuses for murdering mentally retarded people.

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    Re: Gov. Perry Backs Resolution Affirming Texas’ Sovereignty Under 10th Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Shakespeare said, "Treason doth never prosper; for if it prosper, then none dare call it treason."

    Pragmatically, if you seceed and succeed, then you established your "right" to do so. The Founders and the 13 colonies had no legal right to "seceed" from England that would have been recognized under English law. They did it anyway, and now we celebrate their successful secession on Independence Day.

    Patriot or traitor, depends on your POV.



    What do you do with retarded people who are proven dangerous then? Use harsh language? Lock them up in a mental institution perhaps... not much better than prison, but a better chance to be released or escape, and to perhaps kill again.

    There are degrees of retardation and different types of intellectual disability --- some don't know right from wrong, but most do. It's not all black and white, and its not quite that simple.
    Naturally --- the catholic mafia would be brown-nosing.

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    Re: Gov. Perry Backs Resolution Affirming Texas’ Sovereignty Under 10th Amendment

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    Change we can believe in coming out of Texas, who would have thought.
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