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    Re: Gov. Perry Backs Resolution Affirming Texas’ Sovereignty Under 10th Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Well I'll be damned, someone gave Rick Perry a spine... too bad his overall Gov. term has been craptstic, but for this right now... I like it.


    Office of the Governor Rick Perry - Gov. Perry Backs Resolution Affirming Texas’ Sovereignty Under 10th Amendment
    God bless Texas

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    Re: Gov. Perry Backs Resolution Affirming Texas’ Sovereignty Under 10th Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by carolinaguy View Post
    -It is highly debatable that the 10 amendment supports destroying the country
    -There is nothing in the constitution that says it's okay to succede. So we are still at square one if you ask me.

    My whole argument is, you don't have one to support this notion of succession.
    So, you admit that you have nothing at all to counter my argument, and that you refuse to accept that argument based on nothing more than your unsupported opnion of what you think the 10th amendment was/was not for.

    Roger-roger.

    As I said: there is NO doubt what the 10th amendment says, just as there is NO doubt that the Constitution contans NO language that prohibits secession

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    Re: Gov. Perry Backs Resolution Affirming Texas’ Sovereignty Under 10th Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by carolinaguy View Post
    You left out the part where I stated the attorney general could order federal marshalls to get the prisioner that needed to be extradicted. If your going to qoute me make sure you don't just use the part that suits you.

    This would be covered under "If the federal government refuses force the state..."

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    Re: Gov. Perry Backs Resolution Affirming Texas’ Sovereignty Under 10th Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by carolinaguy View Post
    I ask again, Like what?
    I say again:
    Read thru the thread.
    I'm not going to repeat myself just to subsidize your laziness.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 04-17-09 at 05:00 PM.

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    Re: Gov. Perry Backs Resolution Affirming Texas’ Sovereignty Under 10th Amendment

    Slavery was intrinsictly tied to the Civil War, there's no question about that.

    However, how much of the "reason" it was for it is extremely debatable.

    State rights, economy, societal issues all played into it. Slavery tied to many of these things.

    However, for me, the breaking point is here....Would it still have happened if we had never had slavery in the first place?

    I think, essentally, yes. Slavery was the ignition more than the root cause. The root cause in my mind was the disconnect between the industrious north and the agricultural south, and the disagreement in regards to the amount of control one should be able to put upon the other in a governmental level. Slavery happened to be how it was manifested and BECAUSE it was, it is largely tied to it (the economy issues tie into slavery. The societal issues tie into slavery. even the state rights issues tie into slavery). HOWEVER, I think if it was not slavery it would've been something else.

    Ultimately in my mind the civil war was a culture war based on States Rights and the societal differences between the two areas of the country. Slavery was directly tied to it all, but I wouldn't actually call it the root issue as much as the tool used by the issue.

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    Re: Gov. Perry Backs Resolution Affirming Texas’ Sovereignty Under 10th Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    No... the issue was the southern states being able to exercise the rights they had under the US Constitition. Secession followed a matter of principle.

    Part of all that was slavery, but the -principle- behind it was the rights of states.
    No. It wasn't. It was the stated justification, but it wasn't the principle.

    The proof is in the pudding. When they wrote the Confederate constitution, basing it on the US Constitution, they did nothing beef up the rights of states as against the (con)federal government, changed nothing they were complaining about in the US Constitution, yet added no less than three provisions to bolster slavery.

    It was about slavery.
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    Re: Gov. Perry Backs Resolution Affirming Texas’ Sovereignty Under 10th Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No. It wasn't. It was the stated justification, but it wasn't the principle.

    The proof is in the pudding. When they wrote the Confederate constitution, basing it on the US Constitution, they did nothing beef up the rights of states as against the (con)federal government, changed nothing they were complaining about in the US Constitution, yet added no less than three provisions to bolster slavery.

    It was about slavery.
    No, not at all. That is a patently false assessment of the core issues.

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    Re: Gov. Perry Backs Resolution Affirming Texas’ Sovereignty Under 10th Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    When the Nation of Texas joined the Union one condition was for our right to secede. We are the only Nation that joined the Union.
    Sure, except for the independent republics of Vermont and California -- to say nothing of the original 13 states, which were each independent nations which voluntarily united. And Hawaii was an independent kingdom.

    And there's no "condition" for the right of secession in Texas's joining the union, either.
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    Re: Gov. Perry Backs Resolution Affirming Texas’ Sovereignty Under 10th Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No, not at all. That is a patently false assessment of the core issues.
    No. It is not.
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    Re: Gov. Perry Backs Resolution Affirming Texas’ Sovereignty Under 10th Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No. It is not.
    Oh...but it is.

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