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    Re: North Korea to Restart Nuclear Weapons Plant

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    We need to carry out strikes against North Korea's nuclear facilities in and around Punyongyang.

    Kim Jong Jackoff has been been given more then enough warning about his nuclear numbnuttery.

    Now he can go **** himself.
    Not really an option right now Vader.

    I agree it "should be done" on one hand, but on the other, I'm really not willing to killing 10-15 million people to do so. Are you?

    NK has over 50,000 rocket and artillery tubes pointed at Seoul. I've SEEN the war plans, the estimates and all that good stuff. NK's war plans call for pounding Seoul as the opening move. Even if, and this is a big if, the war stays conventional, the casualty rate for the city is est. 50% in the first 30 min of a shooting war. If they use CBR, 70%.

    That's why there hasn't been another Korean War. And why attacking NK's nuclear facilities is not really an option.
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    Re: North Korea to Restart Nuclear Weapons Plant

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Not really an option right now Vader.

    I agree it "should be done" on one hand, but on the other, I'm really not willing to killing 10-15 million people to do so. Are you?

    NK has over 50,000 rocket and artillery tubes pointed at Seoul. I've SEEN the war plans, the estimates and all that good stuff. NK's war plans call for pounding Seoul as the opening move. Even if, and this is a big if, the war stays conventional, the casualty rate for the city is est. 50% in the first 30 min of a shooting war. If they use CBR, 70%.

    That's why there hasn't been another Korean War. And why attacking NK's nuclear facilities is not really an option.
    This war plan doesn't really make sense. I don't see the point in thoroughly destroying something you're trying to capture. Plus, if all that firepower is concentrated on a city, that means it's not being used in support of the ground forces. Allied ground forces would be able to out maneuver their ground forces while they're seeking cover or otherwise being slowed down by allied artillery. Plus, how much ammo do they have? Could they afford to waste all their ammo pounding Seoul?

    While it makes a good threat, I doubt their military commanders would be stupid enough to do that. The international community would be outraged and NK would see a massive coalition force come wipe them out.

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    Re: North Korea to Restart Nuclear Weapons Plant

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    This war plan doesn't really make sense. I don't see the point in thoroughly destroying something you're trying to capture. Plus, if all that firepower is concentrated on a city, that means it's not being used in support of the ground forces. Allied ground forces would be able to out maneuver their ground forces while they're seeking cover or otherwise being slowed down by allied artillery. Plus, how much ammo do they have? Could they afford to waste all their ammo pounding Seoul?

    While it makes a good threat, I doubt their military commanders would be stupid enough to do that. The international community would be outraged and NK would see a massive coalition force come wipe them out.
    MAD Bulletwound. That's the purpose.

    NK believes that by making the cost of fighting them too high, they won't be attacked. They CANNOT win a conventional head to head fight with the South. They have a large, yet outdated military that faces a modern force backed by the USA. Not really a winning equation. Their only defense is to ensure that the cost of war is too high for the South.

    It makes perfect sense.
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    Re: North Korea to Restart Nuclear Weapons Plant

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Not really an option right now Vader.

    I agree it "should be done" on one hand, but on the other, I'm really not willing to killing 10-15 million people to do so. Are you?

    NK has over 50,000 rocket and artillery tubes pointed at Seoul. I've SEEN the war plans, the estimates and all that good stuff. NK's war plans call for pounding Seoul as the opening move. Even if, and this is a big if, the war stays conventional, the casualty rate for the city is est. 50% in the first 30 min of a shooting war. If they use CBR, 70%.

    That's why there hasn't been another Korean War. And why attacking NK's nuclear facilities is not really an option.
    I am not saying that we nuke them -- I am suggesting a conventional strike on NK's facilities BEFORE the become fully active.

    There would be casualties; however, not in the millions.

    Given the choice --- I would rather not be responsible for an apocolyptic event. --- Casulaties in the millions is unacceptable.

    I do not want to wipe out North Korea I only want to wipe out North Korea's nuclear capabilities.

    I also want to wipe out Iran's nuclear capabilities.

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    Re: North Korea to Restart Nuclear Weapons Plant

    [quote=MrVicchio;1057990536]MAD Bulletwound. That's the purpose.

    NK believes that by making the cost of fighting them too high, they won't be attacked. They CANNOT win a conventional head to head fight with the South. They have a large, yet outdated military that faces a modern force backed by the USA. Not really a winning equation. Their only defense is to ensure that the cost of war is too high for the South.

    It makes perfect sense.
    But would they follow through in light of the fact that it would result in their certain death? Would they launch this all-out assault in response to the loss of their nuclear facilities? That seems like it would be a poor decision to me. Of course they've been making poor decisions for 50 years, so go figure.

    We must weigh the cost of war now versus a war with North Korea where they are armed with nuclear weapons. There is the possibility now that they could be defeated without having to withstand a nuclear attack. We can prevent the possibility of real MAD, and a situation where an aggressive North Korea attacks the South backed up by fully developed nuclear weapons.

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    Re: North Korea to Restart Nuclear Weapons Plant

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    I am not saying that we nuke them -- I am suggesting a conventional strike on NK's facilities BEFORE the become fully active.

    There would be casualties; however, not in the millions.

    Given the choice --- I would rather not be responsible for an apocolyptic event. --- Casulaties in the millions is unacceptable.

    I do not want to wipe out North Korea I only want to wipe out North Korea's nuclear capabilities.

    I also want to wipe out Iran's nuclear capabilities.
    You miss the point my friend, if we attack their nuclear facilities, there is a very good chance they will attack South Korea. And THAT will kill millions.
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    Re: North Korea to Restart Nuclear Weapons Plant

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    MAD Bulletwound. That's the purpose.



    But would they follow through in light of the fact that it would result in their certain death? Would they launch this all-out assault in response to the loss of their nuclear facilities? That seems like it would be a poor decision to me. Of course they've been making poor decisions for 50 years, so go figure.

    We must weigh the cost of war now versus a war with North Korea where they are armed with nuclear weapons. There is the possibility now that they could be defeated without having to withstand a nuclear attack. We can prevent the possibility of real MAD, and a situation where an aggressive North Korea attacks the South backed up by fully developed nuclear weapons.
    It's not all our choice, the SK have to agree to it. The current belief is that the NK govt' will eventually implode and that will least bloody way out of this mess. There is some merit to that line of thinking.
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    Re: North Korea to Restart Nuclear Weapons Plant

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post

    It's not all our choice, the SK have to agree to it. The current belief is that the NK govt' will eventually implode and that will least bloody way out of this mess. There is some merit to that line of thinking.
    That's a possibility, and I recommend sending in the three letter agencies to expedite this process. However, there is also the possibility that it will not, at least not in the near future. How long can we afford to wait? One thing is clear, we need to increase our intelligence operations in NK and we're going to have to find a way to get good HUMINT, instead of relying on all the other methods.

    Also, who will fill in the vacuum? It's possible that the Chinese will move in to fill it. In which case, SK can kiss a unified peninsula good bye.

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    Re: North Korea to Restart Nuclear Weapons Plant

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post

    That's a possibility, and I recommend sending in the three letter agencies to expedite this process. However, there is also the possibility that it will not, at least not in the near future. How long can we afford to wait? One thing is clear, we need to increase our intelligence operations in NK and we're going to have to find a way to get good HUMINT, instead of relying on all the other methods.

    Also, who will fill in the vacuum? It's possible that the Chinese will move in to fill it. In which case, SK can kiss a unified peninsula good bye.
    How much reading on NK do you do? I spend some of my weekend down time at work to read up on it, scary stuff.
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    Re: North Korea to Restart Nuclear Weapons Plant

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    I am not saying that we nuke them -- I am suggesting a conventional strike on NK's facilities BEFORE the become fully active.

    There would be casualties; however, not in the millions.

    Given the choice --- I would rather not be responsible for an apocolyptic event. --- Casulaties in the millions is unacceptable.

    I do not want to wipe out North Korea I only want to wipe out North Korea's nuclear capabilities.

    I also want to wipe out Iran's nuclear capabilities.
    Here's the problem: destroying NK's nuclear facilities is an act of war and would almost definitely result in a counterattack. It would become a full-scale war and they would have to be defeated just as thoroughly as Iraq and Afghanistan. Limited conflict has proven to be a failure over and over and over again. Had it not been for the disobedient General MacAthur in the last war on the peninsula, all of Korea would likely be unified under the despots in the North.

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